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  1. DHS

    DHS Friendly Neighborhood Pool Boy

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  2. stosh

    stosh Darth Bailer

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    T-minus 2yrs an counting till this whole country is under marshall law.
     
  3. likwid

    likwid Chimp

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    One of the promoters friends (a very small female) was attacked by one of the police dogs. As she struggled to get away from it, the police tackled her.

    If you try to run from a dog thats schutzhund trained, it will run you down harder.

    This coming from someone who has an ScH II malinois. :)

    Running from the police is usually frowned upon in all situations unless you ENJOY getting your butt kicked.
     
  4. stosh

    stosh Darth Bailer

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    She probably had drugs on her.
     
  5. likwid

    likwid Chimp

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    Sheesh, rave kids these days... all they do is whine whine whine.
    Don't even know how to ditch drugs properly.
     
  6. Crazy Sweeper

    Crazy Sweeper more COWBELL!

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    that's it, I'm moving to Canada
     
  7. hooples3

    hooples3 Fuggetaboutit!

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    I dont understand... Raves use to be so much fun... all about having a good time... or maybe i was so messed up never noticed just how sick they were :D
     
  8. dhtahoe

    dhtahoe I LOVE NORBA!!!!

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    I love it.The police acted out of fear that it(the rave) would rally against Bush's visit to Utah. The things they will do in the name of "Homeland Defense". Screw marshall law Stosh... I think we are headed toward a civil war myself.
     
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    stosh Darth Bailer

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    You were probably part of the BTS.
     
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  11. stosh

    stosh Darth Bailer

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    At what point in the US was rallying support a bad thing?
     
  12. Ciaran

    Ciaran Fear my banana

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    Never happen. People in this country are too comfortable and lazy and greedy to rebel. Just keep giving them their bright shiny objects and they're fine.
     
  13. I Are Baboon

    I Are Baboon Run, Forrest, Run!

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    Damn hippies, always starting trouble. :monkey:
     
  14. likwid

    likwid Chimp

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    In all honesty I wouldn't be surprised if this was just another rave with people making speculations as to why they raided it.

    Half the raves that happen in NH/ME get raided and they do use SWAT (crowd control experience).
    I don't see anyone crying over those.
     
  15. Crazy Sweeper

    Crazy Sweeper more COWBELL!

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    I'd read more of the story. Not that I agree with this happening, but if you read the Utah sherriff's report, they didn't have the permit that allowed them to have more than 250 people, they had a health permit, and hired EMS personnel. I think there is definitely some shady stuff going on as far as the government is concerned, but it's not as bad as the ravers make it out to be.
     
  16. stosh

    stosh Darth Bailer

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    Plur............
     
  17. dhtahoe

    dhtahoe I LOVE NORBA!!!!

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    True, but more and more of us are getting their shiny objects taken away by greed and comfort. This had led to most civil wars. The rich get too rich and the poor get the short end. The cloak is wearing thin, and people are getting wise to it.
     
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    Same sort of stuff that went down when Johnson and tricky Dick were in power.
     
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    There have always people wise to it, I personally don't see that number increasing. I see a public too engrossed in their reality TV to give a ****. And I don't see it getting to the civil war level, then no one would get to play with their toys.

    There is also a big difference today, their may be more poor people but the poor people are richer. The average family under the poverty level has 2 TV's a Microwave and at least one car, they no longer go hungry but are obese. Things that many people in third world countries will kill for. My sister who has been bilking the welfare system for the past few years brings home more money than I do, and I have a well paying job and bust my ass 60 hours a week. The gap may be widening but as long as people are given their "Bread and Circus" nothing will happen.
     
  20. SkaredShtles

    SkaredShtles I love NEWCASTLE and will ONLY drink NEWCASTLE!!!!

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    It's good to see the smack being put down on those damn hippy rabble rousers.
     
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    SkaredShtles I love NEWCASTLE and will ONLY drink NEWCASTLE!!!!

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    America has the richest poor people around.
     
  22. N8 v2.0

    N8 v2.0 Not the sharpest tool in the shed

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    BBWWAHAHAHAHA!!!

    SWAT pwn3d Raverz...

    :p:p:p
     
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    Ciaran Fear my banana

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    What are you? 15?

    Dang it N8, speak ENGLISH!
     
  24. RhinofromWA

    RhinofromWA Brevity R Us

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    Seems like from the Pro-Ravers side of the story they got a bum rap. :rolleyes:

    Ravers reports they had a permit....

    Sherrif reports
    followed by this
    but we all know how some charges are just out right lies.

    Got to hate living in small towns...officers know who you are.
    Pro-Raver reports that drugs were taken away prior to entering the venue.
    Sherrif reports
    They missed a few.

    Who the hell wants to go to a drug free rave anyway?! Then you would have to listen to that crappy music....sober. :D
     
  25. sanjuro

    sanjuro Tube Smuggler

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    Yeah, that is what I figured. Read between the lines of the pro-rave account, and it seems like many details were left out. My first clue: an outdoor show at night in what looks to be a field. Most communities would never approve such an event without major paperwork.
     
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    It would be interesting to have some verified facts to review.
     
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    Something about this reeks of pure BS.

    If SWAT were involved, I can guarantee you they wouldn't be acting like that without being provoked. Anything that SWAT is called out for automatically has a paper trail 10 miles long documenting every move they make in the field with weapons and documents and accounts for every round discharged. It is not like only the people at the scene would be the only ones to see that - in fact, many many many people review and re-review the incident to disclaim whoever they need to from fault. SWAT teams and helicopters busting up a "completely innocent and 100% legal" party with security guards on hand sounds pretty fishy to me. Also SWAT teams and ATF teams are usually clearly marked with those letters in large white lettering. Pretty easy to claim the people on the ground were "innocent" as well since you don't see what they did to get put there in the first place. As far as I'm concerned, resisting the cops, in this case with guns drawn, in any way is just flat out stupid and is a first class ticket to a well-deserved beat-down.

    SWAT teams aren't brought in for f'ing noise violations, especially in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere. For that many SWAT members to be called out they had to have had a good reason. Like I said, this story reeks of pure BS and smelled like a drug bust just from the title.

    *Edit: Most of this is referring to the story published by the ravers who got busted up.
     
  28. Secret Squirrel

    Secret Squirrel There is no Justice!

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    Here's my explanation....it's pretty simple....


    IT'S UTAH!!!!


    That's it.... :help:
     
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    i said that in the pd forum the other day and was told i was batty
     
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    the BIG cheese The STUFF

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  33. sanjuro

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    Two accounts:

    http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/08/323417.shtml

    The police were rounding up the staff of the party and the main promoter went up to them with the permit for the show and said "here, I have the permit." The police then said, "no you don't" and ripped the permit out of his hand. Then, they put an assault rifle to his forehead and said "get the **** out of here right now." Now.. let's get the facts straight here. This event was 100% legal. They had every permit the city told them they needed. They had a 2 MILLION DOLLAR insurance policy for the event.

    http://www.co.utah.ut.us/News/DeptNewsDetails.asp?ID=17759&WN_System=SHERIFF

    Tickets were sold through a Salt Lake vendor, Uprock, for $20.00. Tickets could be bought in advance and directions to the exact location of the Rave would be provided on the day of the event.

    Utah County mass gathering ordinance prohibits the gathering of two hundred and fifty or more persons without a permit, bond, and Utah County Commission approval.

    Around noon on Saturday, August 20th, the Sheriff's office learned that the Rave Party was to take place in the Diamond Fork area located in Spanish Fork canyon at the Child's ranch. At that point it was again verified that the Utah County Commissioner's office had no knowledge of this nor had a permit been obtained.


    Now, who is lying? Or are there some missing details...
     
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    BWAHHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!



    i dont know how raves in utah work, but in memphis the only thing organized at a rave was the mass spread of herpes. ah, the good ol' days.
     
  35. likwid

    likwid Chimp

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    indymedia is notorious for listening to anyone's opinion of what happened.
    even if its grossly wrong.