[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

Looking at these two for a coil option on new S Enduro.
Both are cheep, old school, and unfortunately seem to have zee big shaft (I think?).

I have been down this road many times (coil on Enduro), I am hoping the leverage curve on the new one plays like it is claimed with coils.

RC4 on previous gen Enduro was awesome until it clacked hard on bottom out or unscrewed the piston due to the massive side loading.
I am hopeful new frame does not do this.

Thoughts on one vs the other for this application?

 

[StiHacka]

I have an avalanched Zocchi CR. Is fine. Shaft is small.

 

[jackalope]

So a previous gen Spesh Enduro had major side loading issues? Wouldn't have guessed that, but I hope the newest version has addressed that issue. Anyway, I haven't ridden either shock but there seems to be a consensus amongst monkeys a good solution is to get a Marz CR and send it to Avalanche and end up with a pretty baller shock for a reasonable amount of money. Truthfully, I'd be inclined to get the Marz, ride it in stock form and then send it to Avy if I really thought it needed improvement (or just needed service anyway).

Would think the DVO would be solid too, but have not read much about them - for some reason I thought @Jm_ had some time on a Jade, but could be wrong.

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

So a previous gen Spesh Enduro had major side loading issues? Wouldn't have guessed that, but I hope the newest version has addressed that issue. Anyway, I haven't ridden either shock but there seems to be a consensus amongst monkeys a good solution is to get a Marz CR and send it to Avalanche and end up with a pretty baller shock for a reasonable amount of money. Truthfully, I'd be inclined to get the Marz, ride it in stock form and then send it to Avy if I really thought it needed improvement (or just needed service anyway).

Would think the DVO would be solid too, but have not read much about them - for some reason I thought @Jm_ had some time on a Jade, but could be wrong.

Not 29" Enduro X frame, but when it was 26" with the 2 piece yoke.

 

[Jm_]

Would think the DVO would be solid too, but have not read much about them - for some reason I thought @Jm_ had some time on a Jade, but could be wrong.

Naw, thought about it a few times, but never found a compelling reason to buy one.

 

[kidwoo]

Naw, thought about it a few times, but never found a compelling reason to buy one.

Shiny green. Duh.

 

[englertracing]

Re the dvo The perportion of the components are bad huge shaft, tiny body.

 

[Jm_]

Shiny green. Duh.

You'd never guess these are the same guys that did Marzocchi.

 

[kidwoo]

Marzocchi of the 2000s using shoes of the 80s to sell fork experiments of craigslist.

 

[StiHacka]

What fork?

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

Lyric is the fork. It has the 3rd chamber "runt" thing in it and feels great so far.

Looks like the Van RC/Marz does not fit, reservoir hits. Hmmmmmm.

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

Verified Marz RC reservoir hits frame on bottom out, bummer. I was hoping to try an Avalanche tuned shock.

Governor of Cally announced yesterday that an additional $500/person from the state will be going out. It's raining cash!
Turns out to be a good time to order EXT, shorter than normal lead times.

Pulled the trigger, helping out Italy and the USA!

 

[englertracing]

Big body...

 

[HAB]

Who'd you order the EXT through?

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

Suspension Syndicate in SLC.

 

[Nick]

Turns out to be a good time to order EXT, shorter than normal lead times.

Pulled the trigger, helping out Italy and the USA!

/subscribed

where is the first review? come on already!!!!??!!!

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

First review:

Freaking expensive so better be a custom tuned shock (which it should be).
Pretty much same price as a Super Deluxe coil + tractive tune.

I asked for a not-so-firm lockout as this bike doesn't need one.

 

[6thElement]

Jade's on sale:

Suspension – DVO Suspension

dvosuspension.com

 

[marshalolson]

Jade's on sale:

Suspension – DVO Suspension

dvosuspension.com

FWIW DVO will revalue the shock to you and your bike for like $80 or something before shipping.

 

[englertracing]

Ahw dawg thats so kewl.
But when you get it back you still have a shock thats mostly controlled by the base valve, which is sort of a ghetto design. I guess it goes perfectly with an emrald another ghetto design.

Dvo, is like a cable tektro disc system i mean it can work but.... Yeah

Those guys at dvo design the color schemes and graphics, the rest is done in china at the x fusion or sr suntor factory....


The ext is a little more like a trickstuff maxima.

 

[norbar]

I have an avalanched Zocchi CR. Is fine. Shaft is small.

Wait big shafts are bad now?

 

[MrBaker87]

Not to hijack this thread; but what would you guys recommend for a 2019 Nicolai Geometron g16? Avalanched tuned Marzocchi Bomber CR or an EXT Storia lok? They’re about the same price in the end for me (I’m in the industry).

 

[Salami]

Wait big shafts are bad now?

Apparently, unless we are now talking about dicks

 

[HAB]

Not to hijack this thread; but what would you guys recommend for a 2019 Nicolai Geometron g16? Avalanched tuned Marzocchi Bomber CR or an EXT Storia lok? They’re about the same price in the end for me (I’m in the industry).

Which length do you want? Especially if you're looking for an 8.75, RC4s are around super cheap.

That's a really easy bike to tune a shock for. It pedals pretty well and the leverage curve is super linear, and fairly progressive.

 

[norbar]

Apparently, unless we are now talking about dicks

But why? I mean small shafts = broken shafts since so many frames now put loads on them (yeah not sexual at all). IS this all about them being too progressive?

 

[englertracing]

But why? I mean small shafts = broken shafts since so many frames now put loads on them (yeah not sexual at all). IS this all about them being too progressive?

If youve got a big fat shaft she better have a big valve at the end of the passage and some big cans.....

Large volume reservoirs can reduce the progression of the large shaft to normal levels

But the problem is that all the flow through the base valve, its like a ratio thing..... Many shocks dont have what i consider adequate high speed circiuts, (the ext has a rather large base piston)
And the larger the shaft compared to the body reduces flow across the main piston, as the shaft is backfilling more behind the main piston

 

[StiHacka]

Plus extra stiction because larger surface seals.

 

[norbar]

If youve got a big fat shaft she better have a big valve at the end of the passage and some big cans.....

Large volume reservoirs can reduce the progression of the large shaft to normal levels

But the problem is that all the flow through the base valve, its like a ratio thing..... Many shocks dont have what i consider adequate high speed circiuts, (the ext has a rather large base piston)
And the larger the shaft compared to the body reduces flow across the main piston, as the shaft is backfilling more behind the main piston

And that results in what exactly?

 

[norbar]

Plus extra stiction because larger surface seals.

Stiction in rear shocks is not really an issue unless you're a foes fan

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

Not to hijack this thread; but what would you guys recommend for a 2019 Nicolai Geometron g16? Avalanched tuned Marzocchi Bomber CR or an EXT Storia lok? They’re about the same price in the end for me (I’m in the industry).

If it would have fit the frame, I would have gone for an Avalached VanRC/CR.

Super simple shock and a tuner that has been working on them since the 90's should make for a pretty nice custom setup.

 

[buckoW]

And that results in what exactly?

Harshness

 

[norbar]

Harshness

That makes sense after rereading that comment.

 

[kidwoo]

And that results in what exactly?

Shitty twin tube shocks.

 

[norbar]

Shitty twin tube shocks.

DB too or just vivid?

 

[dovbush66]

DB too or just vivid?

from reading here DB and pre 2021 fox DHX2 are clones of an ohlins road racing shock and are not monkey approved (tm)

idk about vivids i was gonna buy one but i heard a lot of horror stories about them breaking and pissing oil

 

[norbar]

from reading here DB and pre 2021 fox DHX2 are clones of an ohlins road racing shock and are not monkey approved (tm)

idk about vivids i was gonna buy one but i heard a lot of horror stories about them breaking and pissing oil

So what is monkey approved now?

 

[dovbush66]

So what is monkey approved now?

I'm not 100% sure but

dhx RC4s and RC2s, ideally small shaft but big shaft is ok too iirc? most here reccomend ripping out the boost valve if it has it

ohlins

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marzocchi bomber cr / fox van rc pretty popular to send to the likes of avalanche for extrem tunningss

@buckoW mentioned liking the new fox DHX2 a lot too

don't know about rockshox

 

[norbar]

I'm not 100% sure but

dhx RC4s and RC2s, ideally small shaft but big shaft is ok too iirc? most here reccomend ripping out the boost valve if it has it

ohlins

EXT

FAST

marzocchi bomber cr / fox van rc pretty popular to send to the likes of avalanche for extrem tunningss

@buckoW mentioned liking the new fox DHX2 a lot too

don't know about rockshox

So high end stuff and old foxes? Damn.

Anything for endurpoo?

 

[ZHendo]

Verified Marz RC reservoir hits frame on bottom out, bummer. I was hoping to try an Avalanche tuned shock.

Governor of Cally announced yesterday that an additional $500/person from the state will be going out. It's raining cash!
Turns out to be a good time to order EXT, shorter than normal lead times.

Pulled the trigger, helping out Italy and the USA!

I ordered my Storia right when Italy closed everything down, then got a very lovely email from the Suspension Syndicate guys a couple of days ago saying that it turns out EXT has had a skeleton crew working through orders, so my shock will be here this week. Stoked!

 

[Electric_City]

Apparently, unless we are now talking about dicks

Unless you're in prison... Then the small ones are probably better.