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Vegetarians Aren't Stupid Afterall!

stinkyboy

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http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-04/pcfr-nsr033106.php

New scientific review shows vegetarian diets cause major weight loss
Controlled research trials prove diet's efficacy


WASHINGTON--A scientific review in April's Nutrition Reviews shows that a vegetarian diet is highly effective for weight loss. Vegetarian populations tend to be slimmer than meat-eaters, and they experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, and other life-threatening conditions linked to overweight and obesity. The new review, compiling data from 87 previous studies, shows the weight-loss effect does not depend on exercise or calorie-counting, and it occurs at a rate of approximately 1 pound per week.
Rates of obesity in the general population are skyrocketing, while in vegetarians, obesity prevalence ranges from 0 percent to 6 percent, note study authors Susan E. Berkow, Ph.D., C.N.S., and Neal D. Barnard, M.D., of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM).

The authors found that the body weight of both male and female vegetarians is, on average, 3 percent to 20 percent lower than that of meat-eaters. Vegetarian and vegan diets have also been put to the test in clinical studies, as the review notes. The best of these clinical studies isolated the effects of diet by keeping exercise constant. The researchers found that a low-fat vegan diet leads to weight loss of about 1 pound per week, even without additional exercise or limits on portion sizes, calories, or carbohydrates.

"Our research reveals that people can enjoy unlimited portions of high-fiber foods such as fruits, vegetables, and whole grains to achieve or maintain a healthy body weight without feeling hungry," says Dr. Berkow, the lead author.

"There is evidence that a vegan diet causes an increased calorie burn after meals, meaning plant-based foods are being used more efficiently as fuel for the body, as opposed to being stored as fat," says Dr. Barnard. Insulin sensitivity is increased by a vegan diet, allowing nutrients to more rapidly enter the cells of the body to be converted to heat rather than to fat.

Earlier this month, a team of researchers led by Tim Key of Oxford University found that meat-eaters who switched to a plant-based diet gained less weight over a period of five years. Papers reviewed by Drs. Berkow and Barnard include several published by Dr. Key and his colleagues, as well as a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women showing that meat-eaters are more likely to be overweight than vegetarians and vegans.

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For a copy of the new paper published in Nutrition Reviews or an interview with one of the authors, please contact Jeanne S. McVey at 202-686-2210, ext. 316, or jeannem@pcrm.org.

Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive medicine, especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human experimentation, and promotes alternatives to animal research.

Contact: Jeanne S. McVey, 202-686-2210, ext. 316

Jeanne Stuart McVey
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Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine
5100 Wisconsin Ave., N.W., Suite 400
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cell: 415-509-1833, tel: 202-686-2210, ext. 316
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Dartman

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Feb 26, 2003
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"vegitarian" - Indian word for "bad hunter" :rolleyes:



What?! Don't look at me like that. I'm not running for office. :sneaky:
 

Toshi

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ok, so this shows that fruits and veggies are less dense/more filling, and that leads to eating less (in terms of calories). the moral of the story remains the same...
 

syadasti

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Toshi said:
ok, so this shows that fruits and veggies are less dense/more filling, and that leads to eating less (in terms of calories). the moral of the story remains the same...
Exactly - commonly known nutritional science. Fiber cannot be digested by humans thus you don't absorb most of the calories in a diet rich in plant based foods.
 

MudGrrl

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Mar 4, 2004
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um, yeah....



being a vegetarian (yeah, I must be dumb) , I know that some vegetarians will try to live on Peanut Butter, Twizzlers, and ice cream...

just like anyone else, there are still bad choices available.
 

ktmsx

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MudGrrl said:
yeah


I've seen that T-shirt at some of the finest tourist shops around.

and it's vegEtarian




Now, if you want to talk about something more fun, let's talk about Vaginaterians.

:D
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 

laura

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Jul 16, 2002
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MudGrrl said:
um, yeah....



being a vegetarian (yeah, I must be dumb) , I know that some vegetarians will try to live on Peanut Butter, Twizzlers, and ice cream...

just like anyone else, there are still bad choices available.
its actually quite a bit harder to have a well balanced diet and be a vegetarian. My best friend is vegan and had one of the most unhealthy diets i have ever seen. blech. I personally, gained 15 pounds after I stopped eating meat. Since starting back, I have lost most of the weight I gained as a vegetarian.
 

MudGrrl

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laura said:
its actually quite a bit harder to have a well balanced diet and be a vegetarian. My best friend is vegan and had one of the most unhealthy diets i have ever seen. blech. I personally, gained 15 pounds after I stopped eating meat. Since starting back, I have lost most of the weight I gained as a vegetarian.


I have NO idea how vegans survive.

You can't really leave the house and eat at a restaurant.
 

Dartman

Old Bastard Mike
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MudGrrl said:
yeah


I've seen that T-shirt at some of the finest tourist shops around.

and it's vegEtarian




Now, if you want to talk about something more fun, let's talk about Vaginaterians.

:D
Ouch! A "BTDT have the T-Shirt" and a speeling coorecshun. I'll have to aim higher next time.

Now about this Vaginaterian thing? :rofl:
 

black noise

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Dec 31, 2004
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Wow... there's a lot of hostility towards the vegetarian way of life. I didn't know people cared that much about what other people ate.

Personally I just eat healthy and I end up rarely eating meat. I get all the protien I need from beans and rice and PB&J sandwiches. It's not hard.
 

syadasti

i heart mac
Apr 15, 2002
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Yes, mentioning protein - its more difficult to find plant sources (or pairs of them) that contain all the essential amino acids in the necessary proportions.

I am not attacking it, just saying that malnutrition from complex carbohydrate (fiber) absorption and lack of proper amounts of essential AA would result in weight loss. B12 sources can be an issue too - particularly preganant women. Its difficult to eat a balanced diet as a vegetarian but at least statistically, underweight animals live longer than fat ones ;)

2 million years of omnivore evolution is a b*tch to fight against. Besides, its one of the reasons humans are so widespread and successful on Earth.
 

antimony

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Hey... don't knock all the veggies. I have been a vegetarian for almost 13 years, since I was 11, and I do just fine. I'm rugged and have a fabulous immune system. :wave:
 

MudGrrl

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syadasti said:
stuff about protein, some stuff about malnutrition, some stuff about tradition and evolution
yeah


I've been hearing that all my vegetarian life
my grandmother flipped out when I first became veg

"you won't get enough protein! Oh my gawd!!!!"

It's not healthy!!!!


At least you didn't mention "we have incisors for a reason"
 

Changleen

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The human body has specialized enzymes in then intestine whose only purpose are to help digest red meat protiens. Doesn't that tell you something about our evolutionary preference for diet?

Plus fvcking raw steak tastes gooood.
 

laura

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syadasti said:
Besides, its one of the reasons humans are so widespread and successful on Earth.
it may be the reason for our wide spread success as a species, but the new trend in hominid diet will be the reason for our extinction as well.
 

syadasti

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laura said:
it may be the reason for our wide spread success as a species, but the new trend in hominid diet will be the reason for our extinction as well.
Diet? Thats quite a laugh. Even nuclear war/global warming/massive epidemics/etc wouldn't end all of humanity. Besides we are becoming overpopulated and don't need to be extending human lifetime or improving diet if we want to cut down on the growing population and associated issues.

Also its not a new behavior, we are evolved as omnivores over 2 million years. Our closest relatives the chimpanzees eat meat, other monkeys, and even chimp offspring from rival colonies.

We do eat more meat and exercise less than we naturally would but that would not lead to extinction, just possible resource shortages.

In the natural populations of animals there are boon and bust of populations of predators and prey. Nothing wrong if the same thing finally happens to the human animal.
 

laura

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syadasti said:
Diet? Thats quite a laugh. Even nuclear war/global warming/massive epidemics/etc wouldn't end all of humanity. Besides we are becoming overpopulated and don't need to be extending human lifetime or improving diet if we want to cut down on the growing population and associated issues.

Also its not a new behavior, we are evolved as omnivores over 2 million years. Our closest relatives the chimpanzees eat meat, other monkeys, and even chimp offspring from rival colonies.

We do eat more meat and exercise less than we naturally would but that would not lead to extinction, just possible resource shortages.

In the natural populations of animals there are boon and bust of populations of predators and prey. Nothing wrong if the same thing finally happens to the human animal.

i'm not going to argue with you. i really don't care about your opinion. I wasn't implying that eating meat is a new thing in our diets. i was implying that the disgusting crap we put into our bodies has the abillity to kill most of the industrialized world off, starting with diabetes and heart disease.

boom/bust sounds good to me. I'm sick of unhealthy lazy people questioning me about my lifestyle choices.

i eat meat, i don't care one way or another what others eat. i just think this constant boring argument about why peole should eat meat is well, boring.
 

syadasti

i heart mac
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Chimps, enzymes in our digestive track, B12, incisors, and the list goes on - those aren't opinions those are reality.

The only unhealthy thing about meat or any other food is consuming too much of it. Our sedentary lifestyle is a product of our modern world. The ability to eat anything ensured our survival and evolution to our current large brain. With that large brain we can now think what diet is better for whatever reason.

BTW, I am eating this for lunch right now:

 

MudGrrl

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laura said:
i eat meat, i don't care one way or another what others eat. i just think this constant boring argument about why peole should eat meat is well, boring.
I'm with you...

I don't eat meat, and don't care what others eat... I just don't want to be called stupid because of my diet choices.

:D

Sometimes I think that meat eaters when they find out that I am a veggie worry that I am going to launch into a 'meat is murder' scream fest if they so much as nibble on a burger........ actually, I had one lady actually ask me if it was ok that she ate meat in front of me.... that was hilarious.

Sht, I took OMGF out for a steak. I don't care if he eats a plate of bacon sitting next to me. He could wrap himself in New York Strips for all I care.........It's his decision, not mine.
 

Echo

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Why do people give a f*ck if I don't eat meat? Mind your own f*cking business. I'll make my own choices without being preached to about diet by people who eat genetically altered corpses.
 

syadasti

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Echo said:
Why do people give a f*ck if I don't eat meat? Mind your own f*cking business. I'll make my own choices without being preached to about diet by people who eat genetically altered corpses.
Stinkyboy posted the veggie study PR...

60% of ALL processed foods have GMOs in them whether they are meat, veggies, fruits, fish, etc...

And the fact something is a GMO or not doesn't mean it won't harm you. Food testing and safety is key but won't likely happen with FDA employing directors and what not from the giant companies that make these techno foods.

Its not technology/witchcraft you should fear, its corporate greed...

The history of conventional breeding has shown that things do not always go as planned. According to Tony Conner of the New Zealand Institute for Crop and Food Research, “Many nightmares predicted for genetically engineered crops have already happened…not that many people noticed or cared [because they were the fruits of conventional breeding, not genetic manipulation]” (Cohen 1998).

The first story that comes to mind is the commercially launched American Lenape Potato. It was created using conventional breeding techniques in the 1960s. It had a strange burning flavor. The burning flavor was found to be dangerous levels of glycoalkaloid toxins (Cohen 1998).

Another more recent commercial mishap occurred with a conventional celery variety created in the mid-1980s. It was highly resistant to insects and boosted yields. People handling it were breaking out in severe skin rashes. Dermatologists discovered that the celery was shedding natural mutagenic irritant psoralens when exposed to light (Cohen 1998).
 

binary visions

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Echo said:
Why do people give a f*ck if I don't eat meat? Mind your own f*cking business. I'll make my own choices without being preached to about diet by people who eat genetically altered corpses.
Keep in mind that the main person arguing in this thread is the same one who will argue with anyone about any purchasing decision they have made/are making if it doesn't meet his set of specific, quantifiable standards.

I'm not sure you really need to question his need to argue.
 

Westy

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Just because evolution has made us capable of eating meat doesn't mean we HAVE to eat meat.

And humans are technically omnivores.
 

laura

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binary visions said:
Keep in mind that the main person arguing in this thread is the same one who will argue with anyone about any purchasing decision they have made/are making if it doesn't meet his set of specific, quantifiable standards.

I'm not sure you really need to question his need to argue.
...... :monkey:
 

Echo

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syadasti said:
Its not technology/witchcraft you should fear, its corporate greed...
It's not "fear". I don't have to "fear" it because I don't eat it. But it is definitely "corporate greed". Anyone who thinks Farmer Jed gives a rat's ass if the meat he sells is safe, well good luck with that. He's in it for money and nothing else. He will do the bare minimum required to keep the USDA off his back.

Do you know why doctors don't have people take antibiotics for their whole lives? Because if you take antibiotics for an extended period of time, your body eventually stops fighting disease by itself. These corpses you are eating have been shot up with antibiotics from the day they were born, and just like their parents and their parents parents and so on. Some of these antibiotics are not approved for humans either. Do you think that stuff just magically goes away sometime between when the animal gets slaughtered and when it ends up in the grocery store? Are you confident that Farmer Jed isn't using bovine spinal/brain material to feed his chickens? Sure the USDA says he can't. Do you think they really have the resources to prevent it? Farmer Jed wants to make as much money as possible. That's the bottom line.