Vegetarians come and show yourselves!
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fish are animals too, why do you still eat them? silly vegetarians with their double standards.
People can eat what they want. As long as they are not judging you there is no double standard.arboc! said:
I've been primarily veg since I was about 12. The beginning years I was off and on with chicken and fish, so I wasnt a full vegetarian. For the past 7 years Ive been full veg with a 5 year period of being totally vegan.
Critics can say what they want, bottom line is the older I get the more physically fit I become and the better I feel. Which is contrary to the way it usually works.
I have nothing against anyone who chooses to eat meat, its just a life style I dont partake in. Most of my family and friends are all meat eaters and Im fine with it. I definitely think they could do better for themselves, but Im fine with it.
Hailight, as for going to the gym, I go all winter. Just make sure you up your protein mixes (beans, nuts, and cheeses [if you eat them]). Its all about making a complete protein for your body once a day. Youre body needs 21 amino acids to live, 12 are made in house, the other 9 you need to consume. A complete protein contains all 21, thats why meat is so convenient, its already a complete protein. Im pretty sure that all the meats and milks of all living beings are complete proteins.
It was once believed that you must eat meat or drink milk to obtain complete proteins, but that theory has been proven untrue. Nutritionists have found that adequate complete proteins can be created by combining vegetables, grains, and beans just as easily as taking in that convenient, but very unhealthy, piece of meat. People tend to think that meat gives you some kind of protein that is special and unique, it does, its a complete protein. What they usually dont understand is that; that same unique protein can be made from veg as well, and if you stop for a minute and look at the harmful effects that meat has had on the human race (health and environment), mixing veg for complete proteins is probably the way we should be doing it.
If you would like to take the time to read into it so you can do it right, take a look at this artcle and search more like it. And BTW, try and stay away from soy unless its fermented soy (miso, soy sauce, tempeh).
http://www.vegsource.com/attwood/complete_protein.htm
Treat your body right, live long, and ride hard!
Critics can say what they want, bottom line is the older I get the more physically fit I become and the better I feel. Which is contrary to the way it usually works.
I have nothing against anyone who chooses to eat meat, its just a life style I dont partake in. Most of my family and friends are all meat eaters and Im fine with it. I definitely think they could do better for themselves, but Im fine with it.
Hailight, as for going to the gym, I go all winter. Just make sure you up your protein mixes (beans, nuts, and cheeses [if you eat them]). Its all about making a complete protein for your body once a day. Youre body needs 21 amino acids to live, 12 are made in house, the other 9 you need to consume. A complete protein contains all 21, thats why meat is so convenient, its already a complete protein. Im pretty sure that all the meats and milks of all living beings are complete proteins.
It was once believed that you must eat meat or drink milk to obtain complete proteins, but that theory has been proven untrue. Nutritionists have found that adequate complete proteins can be created by combining vegetables, grains, and beans just as easily as taking in that convenient, but very unhealthy, piece of meat. People tend to think that meat gives you some kind of protein that is special and unique, it does, its a complete protein. What they usually dont understand is that; that same unique protein can be made from veg as well, and if you stop for a minute and look at the harmful effects that meat has had on the human race (health and environment), mixing veg for complete proteins is probably the way we should be doing it.
If you would like to take the time to read into it so you can do it right, take a look at this artcle and search more like it. And BTW, try and stay away from soy unless its fermented soy (miso, soy sauce, tempeh).
http://www.vegsource.com/attwood/complete_protein.htm
Treat your body right, live long, and ride hard!
soo the reason why I eat fish is first cause I love it, second to get some protein and third cause in Germany we're living about 200m from a pretty big lake and get 95% of our fish from there.
As I've been 10 when we (my whole family) became Vegetarian I don't really remember the reasons, it had to do with mad cow disease and some show on how they pump drugs into chickens to make them grow faster aso. The reason why I stay Vegetarien is clearly the health factor. I did grow up to a person that's way more aware of what I'm eating than others my age.
You're right that fish are living. But if you actually look into it you'll find that there are different types of vegetarians, reaching from my type as I'm eating diary and fish to total vegan. Just looked it up, I'm a so called Pesco-Vegetarian...
You are right, fish and seafood can be all poisoned and bad for you but as I said, we mainly eat fish from the local lake. There's no power boats allowed on it other than the fishers.
And I don't try to get meat eaters to become vegetarian, it's everybodys choice. Just like smoke or don't...
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Why do you say stay away from soy? Because it contains estrogen?
As I've been 10 when we (my whole family) became Vegetarian I don't really remember the reasons, it had to do with mad cow disease and some show on how they pump drugs into chickens to make them grow faster aso. The reason why I stay Vegetarien is clearly the health factor. I did grow up to a person that's way more aware of what I'm eating than others my age.
You're right that fish are living. But if you actually look into it you'll find that there are different types of vegetarians, reaching from my type as I'm eating diary and fish to total vegan. Just looked it up, I'm a so called Pesco-Vegetarian...
You are right, fish and seafood can be all poisoned and bad for you but as I said, we mainly eat fish from the local lake. There's no power boats allowed on it other than the fishers.
And I don't try to get meat eaters to become vegetarian, it's everybodys choice. Just like smoke or don't...
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Why do you say stay away from soy? Because it contains estrogen?
There has been a lot of recent studies that have found some potential problems associated with the soy bean and its by-products when un-fermented. Soy contains the Phytoestrogens (isoflavones) genistein and daidzein. These have been linked to possible harmful effects on the thyroid gland. There are also some other very disturbing facts about soy and its adverse effects, take a look:Hailight said:
http://www.mercola.com/2004/jan/21/soy.htm
There are a lot of good books out right now about the dangers of soy products.
For me, until the truth is more clear and the research has caught up with the sales, Im going to stay away from it, especially considering I was over dosing on the stuff for many years.
I pretty sure those products are actually not fermented. I think there is only 3 knids of truly fermented soy products; miso, soy sauce, and tempeh.Hailight said:
Those designer soy fake meats are potentially some of the worst products you can eat.
They all contain a lot of soy protein isolate, which has been known to have high, concentrated, levels of the bad stuff. To make matters worse, most of the companies that produce them will not reveal their secret recipes and processes.
The technologies behind them are all very new and the competition is stiff. Some of those products are extremely chemically enhanced, even when the package says made from organic soy beans. The wording of the organic statement can be misleading, and tells nothing of the process of creating a, seemingly, perfect Italian Sausage out of beans.
Im a little hesitant when it comes to eating food that has been created with strange innovative chemicals and textile industry machines. Yes, they use textile style machines to produce some of those mock meats.
oh man looks like I'll have to watch out, damn all the food industries, I just want something healthy and you can hardly even find cereal without sugar :mumble: :redhot:
so all the body builders that eat concentrated soy and whey protein crap are basically having tons of the bad stuff too!? I allways knew that it isn't good for you
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so all the body builders that eat concentrated soy and whey protein crap are basically having tons of the bad stuff too!? I allways knew that it isn't good for you
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Yea, and the millions of babies currently being pumped up on soy formula morning, noon, and night. Scary stuff!Hailight said:so all the body builders that eat concentrated soy and whey protein crap are basically having tons of the bad stuff too!? I allways knew that it isn't good for you
Nice one, I never heard of natto before, and I didn't know you could get fermented tofu either... good to know. I'm one of those people who actually likes the taste of tofu.Hailight said:
Yo, I just remembered, a really good "complete protein" food is Quinoa. It's this little grain that you cook up like rice, it's very tasty and packed with protein.
http://www.specialfoods.com/quinoa.html
It's one of the only "singular" grains or veggies that is already a complete protein. I love it
I consider myself vegetarian by proxy...I only eat animals that eat plants.
I've been a vegetarian for about 35 years.
I do eat beef, poultry, pork, and seafood, but consider myself a vegetarian.
Growing your own fruit & veg is *never* a bad idea.
I do eat beef, poultry, pork, and seafood, but consider myself a vegetarian.
Growing your own fruit & veg is *never* a bad idea.
SkaredShtles said:I've been a vegetarian for about 35 years.
I do eat beef, poultry, pork, and seafood, but consider myself a vegetarian.
Growing your own fruit & veg is *never* a bad idea.
I've been a vegetarian for about 4, maybe 5 years now..
I was a veg for 4 years before that.. then there was a gap where I did eat meat (blame it on the hunger and the chicken a la king MRE).
I never quite understood why some 'vegetarians' will eat fish. some 'vegetarians' also eat foie gras. some 'vegetarians' also eat steak..........
my rule: if it has a face, I'm not eating it.
I was a veg for 4 years before that.. then there was a gap where I did eat meat (blame it on the hunger and the chicken a la king MRE).
I never quite understood why some 'vegetarians' will eat fish. some 'vegetarians' also eat foie gras. some 'vegetarians' also eat steak..........
my rule: if it has a face, I'm not eating it.
Maybe you should clarify that with "vegetarians who have chosen to be so due to moral issues" - or do you think that all vegetarians are that way because of moral concerns?MudGrrl said:
Because many vegetarians are that way due to health concerns. Or maybe, like my girlfriend, they just don't like meat. Nothing moral, she just doesn't like it. So she eats fish, and will eat things made with chicken stock. Maybe that doesn't make her a "strict" vegetarian, but it's sure easier to say that than to explain, "I won't eat beef, pork or chicken, but I'll eat fish, and chicken stock is okay."
Aren't they allowed to eat whatever they want?
Everyone is allowed to eat whatever they want.binary visions said:
My bf eats steak, and I don't go into a rage yelling at him about meat being murder. Psssh, I'll buy and cook him a steak.
The problem with people who say they are vegetarian, then eat chicken and fish or whatever is this:
when they go into a restaurant and say they are vegetarian and eat chicken, it misleads people into thinking that all vegetarians eat chicken.
I can't tell you how many times, after I have said that I am a vegetarian, that a person leans over and says something to the effect of "oh, you eat fish then".
If you eat chicken, fish, beef, .... whatever .... you are not a friggin vegetarian. Quit confusing the crp out of people. It's ok that you eat fish. It's ok that you eat chicken. Sht, eat a ton of bacon for all I care. Just don't go to a restaurant and ask for something vegetarian with chicken in it, stating that you are a vegetarian.
Next time I order a 'vegetarian' dish and it has chicken in it, I'm gonna hunt one of the 'vegetarians' down and make them show me where chickens are plucked from vines.:mumble:
I see what you're saying, but seriously now, a pretty large number of "vegetarians" eat fish; I think there is a distinctive line between chicken/pork/beef and fish - not that it's not a little misleading to say "vegetarian" and mean, "only fish" but pick your battles here.MudGrrl said:
Your gripe is with the lousy assumptions that people make, not with the people who say that they're vegetarians but will still eat fish. Vegetarian should imply "no meat of any type" - and if the person ordering makes an exception, well, that's their perogative. Life is full of exceptions. Slap around the menu writers or the chefs who assume the exception is a rule.
Jellyfish?MudGrrl said:
SkaredShtles said:Jellyfish?
Approved!
want some squirrel? that furry little fellow on my avatar is one of many here in alaska
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BV wields GREAT power.binary visions said:
Approved!
scallops, clams, mussels.............SkaredShtles said:Jellyfish?
Do you eat those?MudGrrl said:
I've got a coworker who draws the line at anything that has an "out" port.
I could so go for a big bag of oysters and an open fire right now.
So does she not eat yogurt with the various active cultures that have out ports? What about the microorganisms on veggies, fruits, and other food? Guess these vegetarians aren't real ones since they eat/kill microorganismsSkaredShtles said:Do you eat those?
I've got a coworker who draws the line at anything that has an "out" port.
That pretty large number of "vegetarians" you are referring to are not vegetarians, no matter how cutesy and trendy their new way of eating seems.binary visions said:
what is that distinctive line between chicken/pork/beef and fish?
How many people do you know eat beef and call themselves vegetarian? Why are chicken and fish included with the vegetables?
Have you looked at any vegetarian recipes? Tell me where fish is listed as an ingredient. Show me the vegetarian cookbook section where chicken is a main ingredient.
No, my gripe is with the people who will have a chicken sandwich, foie gras, and fish, and call themselves vegetarians. They are educated enough to make a decision based on morals or nutrition, but for some odd reason can't figure out what a fish is. They mislead people into thinking that crabcakes/ escargot/ fish are suitable vegetarian foods, when they are not.binary visions said:
No meat of any type... that's what being a vegetarian is.binary visions said:
I don't have a problem with people just eating chicken, fish, pork, snails, horses, koalas.......If they want to eat an appetizer platter made out of the animal kingdom, have fun. Don't go advertising you're vegetarian if you're eating meat.
But when someone declares that they are vegetarian, and then orders a chicken sandwich without the bacon because they are vegetarian, it's a sign that they have clearly failed studying the differences between plant and animals.
Regarding your comment about slapping around menu writers and chefs- I have written to restaurants and grocery stores requesting vegetarian foods. I do make my voice heard, as I am doing here.
I apologize if I am coming off rather acidic, it's really not my goal.
no, I don't eat thoseSkaredShtles said:Do you eat those?
I've got a coworker who draws the line at anything that has an "out" port.
I think your co-worker has a pretty good rule... that's probably better than my rule (which more applies to the cute and fuzzies of the world).
truthfully, I think the whole "out port" and "anything that has a face" rules are more instrumental for people to describe how they eat to other people.syadasti said:So does she not eat yogurt with the various active cultures that have out ports? What about the microorganisms on veggies, fruits, and other food? Guess these vegetarians aren't real ones since they eat/kill microorganisms
When I say I don't eat anything that has a face, people usually think the standard (pigs, cows, chickens, fish). They'll come up with jellyfish, scallops, mussels, clams... all good questions, but I don't eat them.
And the microorganisms thing... one might as well just off themself if they are that worried about microorganisms. They're unavoidable.
It also depends on why you are a vegetarian/ vegan.... the people who are all wound up about morals and such would probably worry more about the microorganism question than someone who is a vegetarian for health reasons (ok, that sounded a little funny).
I know you read what I posted but I don't think it digestedMudGrrl said:
I'm agreeing with your issue where vegetarian menus include any kind of meat whatsoever. Totally agree. A vegetarian menu/dish shouldn't have ANY type of meat in it at all, nor should it be cooked with meat by-products like beef stock, chicken stock, etc.binary visions said:
What I'm disagreeing with is your crusade against people who call themselves vegetarians. It's just a place where, for me, it seems unnecessary and wasteful of your energies. There are lots of people who want labels and to pidgeonhole themselves into some kind of category that makes them feel happier about their lives. Why not let them? Work on adjusting people's knowledge where it counts: the people who do the menus, who make the food, who decide what and what not to serve. It sounds like you do that, and that's great.
But people categorize themselves in a million different ways that may be inaccurate. If someone categorizes themselves as environmentally conscious then goes and dumps motor oil in the rivers, only a stupid person would assume that all environmentally conscious people dump motor oil into rivers.
Why do some people care so much what I eat or don't eat? I consider myself a vegetarian, and maybe once a month I get sushi. If someone wants to point and me and yell "you're not a vegetarian" well they can kiss my ass. I have my own reasons for being veg, and I eat what I want. I'm not trying to change the definition of vegetarian, so don't try to put that on me.
