Ventana El cuervo or V10 for hucking
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my votes for the v10(since i ride one), havent ridden the ventana though
man, what a stupid first post.
Here is the best advice I can possibly give you. Go to www.mbtr.com or www.pinkbike.com for some real advice. Those guys really know there stuff especially when it comes to hucking and helping you pick bikes. They will give you excellent choices as well as extremely factual info regarding each bike.
Don't get either of these bikes dude, Karpiel Army with 14 in of travel is the way to go for hucking. Make sure you get a Supermonster to match the front.
Don't get either of these bikes dude, Karpiel Army with 14 in of travel is the way to go for hucking. Make sure you get a Supermonster to match the front.
Yeah, they definitely will, especially Pinkbike. Pretty much all the better huckers hang out there, and you'll see why when you visit.biker3 said:
I guess all I have to say is that the 'Monkey is an all-around good site, but Pinkbike is where it's at for major hucking and related matters. They'll galdy help you out.
i would go with the ventana cause it would be a little easier to throw around and i guarentee its stronger with the fat welds and guseted head tube
call up go-ride there very familiar with ventana frames i know they could help you out
call up go-ride there very familiar with ventana frames i know they could help you out
and please dont go with what HOW said and get a norco, i like hucking things that dont break
Dude sick.stoney98 said:
BAAAHAHAHAstoney98 said:
Does it come w/ a 'chute or a Superman suit for the rider? Ya gotta get a cape to ride it?
"Hello this is James. Wich of the V10 and the Cuervo is better for hucking? I have to say the V10. Its much stronger and better made. Ok good talking to you. Bye! "jasonw111 said:
14 inch bike for hucking! How about a Hard Rock Hard tail and LX bottom bracket?
Like most all the other people on Ridemonkey, I've been wearing my black arm band ever since the announcement that Huffy Bicycles had filed for bankruptcy. But there is a light shining bright at the end of this very dark tunnel. It was just announced today that there is a new potential owner for the battered Huffy line. The potential buyer wishes to change the product line and target market with a new line of bikes called Hucky. So, if all goes well, you can pick up a new Hucky right along with thousands of other well heeled buyers who frequent Walmart and Target stores to satisfy their discriminating cycling needs. So, there you have it. If I were you, I'd wait a few more months before purchasing a new bike and pick up a new Hucky. In the mean time you should focus on pumping a lot of iron and consuming lots of protein shakes so you will be ready to boldly huck yourself off of the closest cliff you can find. Oh, make sure to have those cameras rolling when the time comes. We are all looking forward to seeing you do what we don't have the courage to attempt. Your mantra should now be, NO FEAR, NO FEAR, NO FEAR. Keep saying it until it becomes embedded in your mind and you'll be ready.
Turd Ferguson said:
14" of travel on the Karpiel. Reread his post.
Any bike with a LX bottom bracket and you would be set.
The Hucky sounds nice but is it flexy is the question I want answered.Both bike are sweet, but like How said BANSHEE or NORCO. You could huck on a V10 or Ventana, both bikes are sweet. The Leprechan should pipe in about the Ventana soon........
Kanter said:14" of travel on the Karpiel. Reread his post.
Any bike with a LX bottom bracket and you would be set.
Both bike are sweet, but like How said BANSHEE or NORCO. You could huck on a V10 or Ventana, both bikes are sweet. The Leprechan should pipe in about the Ventana soon........
O.K. I see you don't get the sarcasm. 14" is crazy. Look at what Freddy does on a hard rock.
I don't know what's wrong with most of the people on this forum. They must think they're cool making fun of new users.
Anyhow, the V10 (the old one) should be great for hucking. I much prefer a long, stable dh bike. I previously had a Scream and now I have a Racelink and it's a lot more stable off drops. I don't know anything about the Ventana. The old v10 is really overbuilt and strong. The new one seems much more race oriented, a la M1 or M3. I've seen what happens to an M1 after it's been hucked around enough. OF course, no one knows for sure what the new v10 will stand up to compared to the old.
Anyhow, the V10 (the old one) should be great for hucking. I much prefer a long, stable dh bike. I previously had a Scream and now I have a Racelink and it's a lot more stable off drops. I don't know anything about the Ventana. The old v10 is really overbuilt and strong. The new one seems much more race oriented, a la M1 or M3. I've seen what happens to an M1 after it's been hucked around enough. OF course, no one knows for sure what the new v10 will stand up to compared to the old.
Yeah...some people seem to think they can just look down upon others who might not ask the most tecnical or complicated question of the day. The man asks a simple and fair question and he gets a bunch of sh#tty answers.......see, - if that is the attitude, - then I can mention some people who ought to move to Pink Bike.......
For the question....I would get the V10....very nice and burly bike .
For the question....I would get the V10....very nice and burly bike .
and get the 3 inch gazzies!!! bwhaha.. rootbeer and green double wides! mmmm..... 
I must admit, I'm a bit confused. Satire?JAB said:
Yeah I was wondering too but in the end I think it's just stupid. I guess the poster is making fun of the idea that you guys would ever recommend a v10 over an el cuervo...as if you never would.James | Go-Ride said:
Well, I've never ridden either, but both are race-oriented frames, so probably not the ultimate in brute strength, although I believe both bikes were ridden in the Red Bull Rampage. Personally, I would take the old V10, because it was very long and slack, and therefore stable. You might also consider a steel frame if all you do is huck.
seismic said:
Some people need to lighten up. It was a joke between me and Ferguson. I guess you had to be there. Anyway, the guy should pick a different bike if all he wants to do is huck. More info would be nice like what else is he going to do with the bike, money, weight, etc.
To let you guys in on the joke. Me and Ferguson rode with a guy that acted like he was the sheeeet. Every trail we rode he would say that he did this drop or that gap the last time he rode the trail. His excuse to NOT do the small drops was that he ran a LX bottom bracket. Sorry I guess you had to be there. He also talked how he rode with Wade Simmons and other pros.
Back to the thread. I believe his question is a good one but more info is needed to give a good answer.
Hey, Merry X-MAS!!!!
Yes, I am a liar. Everything I said about the new Hucky Bicycle line was a complete fabrication. To top it off, I was an insensitive jerk to the new Ridemonkey poster and should be promptly tarred and feathered. Please forgive me Newbie!
Buy the El Cuervo, some very good body armor and a motocross helmet!
Godspeed Bro!!!!
Buy the El Cuervo, some very good body armor and a motocross helmet!
Godspeed Bro!!!!
The el cuervo is a great all around bike I have hucked this thing with no problems. I didn't like the old v10 for hucking and it squats to much for me.
I was a big fan of Santa Cruz until I had warrenty problems there service sucks So far no problems with the el cuervo knock on wood.
I was a big fan of Santa Cruz until I had warrenty problems there service sucks So far no problems with the el cuervo knock on wood.
Yes, its satire. I just thought the scenario of someone calling to a Ventana retailer and asking for a non-biased comparison between the Cuervo and the V10 was funny. I singeled you out because you're the first go-ride emploiee I thought of. I admit singeling (sp?) you out the way I did was not fair. I hope you don't take offence of my post. If you did, I apologize. It was simply meant as satire.James | Go-Ride said:
Oh no worries, I was just sort of curious.JAB said:
So i'm guessing you have figured out that these monkeys hate the 'bike vs bike for hucking' post!
So if you want some good info you have to act intelligent and say "I have x bike and ride x terrain and think i need more bike for the huge airs i do.I'm looking into x and x bikes and am willing to spend the $ on a good frame so please don't reccomend a Norco since i allready have one."
I feel that the Cuervo is a fantastic huck bike.People may say it's a race orriented frame,but it is one of the burliest aluminum bikes on the market.The V 10 is a good option too because of its travel and beefy build.Probably the first thing that differentiates the two is in the pivots.The Cuervo has 4 bearings at each pivot,and the main pivot has a steel axle.Also a big difference is what you can't see-the linkages are 3D in shape.The short peanut looking links actually fit into the bearings so the stress is not just riding on the bolts.The V 10,though i have never seen a mainframe or swingarm break,has some linkage and bearing issues when being subjected to abusive situations.Since it is a VPP design usung short links the links and bearings take on huge loads causing them to wear kinda quickly.
Another difference is that the Cuervo has a 3:1 rising rate suspension.This helps to keep the bike from bottoming,and has a standard leverage rate and 3x9.5 standard DH shock.The V10 is a bit of a falling rate and a kinda high leverage rate,getting 10"out of a 2.75 stroke shock.They do feel really good for the most part,due to the Progressive shock and lots of travel.but in huck situations you can feel the difference.The cuervo also fits all shocks on the market,and works very well with non platform type shocks.
There are lots of detailed pics of the gusseting,links,etc on go-ride.com.
So theres a long answer for a short question!
So if you want some good info you have to act intelligent and say "I have x bike and ride x terrain and think i need more bike for the huge airs i do.I'm looking into x and x bikes and am willing to spend the $ on a good frame so please don't reccomend a Norco since i allready have one."
I feel that the Cuervo is a fantastic huck bike.People may say it's a race orriented frame,but it is one of the burliest aluminum bikes on the market.The V 10 is a good option too because of its travel and beefy build.Probably the first thing that differentiates the two is in the pivots.The Cuervo has 4 bearings at each pivot,and the main pivot has a steel axle.Also a big difference is what you can't see-the linkages are 3D in shape.The short peanut looking links actually fit into the bearings so the stress is not just riding on the bolts.The V 10,though i have never seen a mainframe or swingarm break,has some linkage and bearing issues when being subjected to abusive situations.Since it is a VPP design usung short links the links and bearings take on huge loads causing them to wear kinda quickly.
Another difference is that the Cuervo has a 3:1 rising rate suspension.This helps to keep the bike from bottoming,and has a standard leverage rate and 3x9.5 standard DH shock.The V10 is a bit of a falling rate and a kinda high leverage rate,getting 10"out of a 2.75 stroke shock.They do feel really good for the most part,due to the Progressive shock and lots of travel.but in huck situations you can feel the difference.The cuervo also fits all shocks on the market,and works very well with non platform type shocks.
There are lots of detailed pics of the gusseting,links,etc on go-ride.com.
So theres a long answer for a short question!
If your looking for a name brand buy the Santa Cruz if you looking for a bike that will perform by the cuervo.
Think about this.. if your bike has an issuse with it don't you want it back right away? Good luck with Santa Cruz they take for every (three, four, five weeks wander why?).
Think about this.. if your bike has an issuse with it don't you want it back right away? Good luck with Santa Cruz they take for every (three, four, five weeks wander why?).
thruster said:
I wiped my hands across the keyboard once and it came out looking a lot like this post.
I guess there is a point there something but I don't have any idea what it might be.
If you want anyone to pay attention spend more than three seconds spewing garbage. Your stream-of-consciousness rant is not much help.
nickaziz said:
Nope... just for making fun of people that ask stupid questions.
The point that we are all making is that EITHER bike will be stronger than this guy that wants to "huck" it... and neither of these are "huckin" bikes...seismic said:
If he really wants a "hucking" bike, I'd say get a Banshee.
It's like asking which will be a better car for racing? a Bronco or a VW Bus.
You know what would be interesting, if everybody on the board pretended that they worked for a retailer for a day, so you'd have to be extra careful not to rip into people. You'd be surprised at how many of the most bitter police types on here are also the worst offenders against their own would-be regulations 
Seriously though, if that DH4Life fellow is still reading, use the search feature on here to read up on both bikes. Try to filter out people who don't actually own one (and have been riding a Heckler or Conquistador for the last three years and are basing their opinion of a brand's DH frame on how their own trail bike is the greatest thing ever). The best thing to do is find people who compare the V10/Cuervo they have now to the M1/Turner/Mono they had last year, and to the Karpiel/Dirt Works/Tomac they had the year before, etc. Generally people who ride a new bike every year are looking for a frame and setup to have specific traits, and thus will be able to answer specific questions for you. Sometimes they're just spoiled shop brats though
Seriously though, if that DH4Life fellow is still reading, use the search feature on here to read up on both bikes. Try to filter out people who don't actually own one (and have been riding a Heckler or Conquistador for the last three years and are basing their opinion of a brand's DH frame on how their own trail bike is the greatest thing ever). The best thing to do is find people who compare the V10/Cuervo they have now to the M1/Turner/Mono they had last year, and to the Karpiel/Dirt Works/Tomac they had the year before, etc. Generally people who ride a new bike every year are looking for a frame and setup to have specific traits, and thus will be able to answer specific questions for you. Sometimes they're just spoiled shop brats though
hucking your meat is what i'm all about hella norcal throwdown huckin crew posse. get the v-10 w/ the supa monsta tizzle. break it in on a 10 ftr to flats.
James | Go-Ride said:You know what would be interesting, if everybody on the board pretended that they worked for a retailer for a day, so you'd have to be extra careful not to rip into people. You'd be surprised at how many of the most bitter police types on here are also the worst offenders against their own would-be regulations
Well if this was directed at me I was actually pretending to be a bike manufacturer and was annoyed at Thruster making a blanket statement without providing more facts that might actually help. Yeah it was kinda harsh but I'm feeling a little crusty today so Bahhhh-friggin'-humbug. :eviltongu :eviltongu
Isn't that Canfield F1 supposed to be built for hucking? Astrix is another brand that comes to mind. They have a model called the Huckster. I wonder what that bike is built for?
And for the guy a few post before me saying to get a Santa Cruz if you want a namebrand and an El Cuervo if you want a bike to huck, well, Ventana has been around a long time. Probably as long as Santa Cruz.
And for the guy a few post before me saying to get a Santa Cruz if you want a namebrand and an El Cuervo if you want a bike to huck, well, Ventana has been around a long time. Probably as long as Santa Cruz.
Let me start off by saying that Santa Cruz makes some really good Dh and freeride bikes but there customer service sucks. Yes Ventana has been around alot longer then Santa Cruz bikes I believe since the 70's but Santa Cruz is more well known for Dh and freeride bikes then Ventana. I chose el cuervo over the v10 because of customer service. When I have called Ventana to ask about there cuervo I got to speak to someone right away instead waiting for someone to return my calls two weeks later about a warrenty issuse(maybe they don't like to fix warranty problems).
I have rode the old V10 and I still like the curevo better but thats me. Maybe the new v10 rides alot better not sure.
(sorry about spelling I don't have spell check)
I have rode the old V10 and I still like the curevo better but thats me. Maybe the new v10 rides alot better not sure.
(sorry about spelling I don't have spell check)
I don't want to take anything away from Ventana because I know they are an awesome company and I know the El Cuervo is a great bike along with many other models they have produced over the years, but I must come to the defense of Santa Cruz Bicycles. I own a Santa Cruz and I have had excellent luck with the company as well as many other people I know that have had warranty repairs in the past. I've emailed Scott at Santa Cruz bicycles numerous times and I believe he has always gotten back to me within 4 hours at the most and has thoroughly answered my questions. I've never tried calling them on the telephone so I can't say what that experience is like. The only complaint I've heard from friends of mine is how long it takes to get a frame delivered when ordered. This has applied to new model frames which have been greatly anticipated like the V10, Hecker and VP Free. In the past a lot of the wait depended on what color frame you ordered since they are powder coated in batches. If you were not so particular about a color you could usually have a frame within a week. They have narrowed down their color choices now and that should help expedite delivery of new frames. I believe they're a great value for the quality you get on their frames. I don't know what your situation was with Santa Cruz but I believe in the Golden Rule when it comes to dealing with bike companies when you have an issue with a frame. Treat them as you wish to be treated and you will get good results. If you call up a company angry and try to tell them what they are going to do for you then you can expect to not get the best customer service. I'm not saying this is what happened to you but as a rule that's the way it works. I've know people that have been real jerks from the get go when they had a problem and they did not get the best service as a result. You have to remember they are helping 100's of customers at a time and the world does not just spin around you.
i believe this thread had the word huck in it. all you tech racer jonnys need to back out now.
there is only one word that needs to be said.... ultragnarcorehellanorcalthrowdown. neither of the bikes mentioned are worthy for a true huck. ask biker3 and t-pizzle. it's banshee w/ a monster-t or supa monsta all the way to the huck bank.
there is only one word that needs to be said.... ultragnarcorehellanorcalthrowdown. neither of the bikes mentioned are worthy for a true huck. ask biker3 and t-pizzle. it's banshee w/ a monster-t or supa monsta all the way to the huck bank.