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Voter intimidation in the US...

Tenchiro

Attention K Mart Shoppers
Jul 19, 2002
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New England
Are people really this disgusting, in this day and age? Telling people they will be arrested at the polls, and pretending to be a cop to intimidate voters into not showing up really just sickens me. I can't beleive this bullsh!t goes on in this day and age and from the sounds of it, not much is being done to prevent it.

Millions Blocked from Voting in U.S. Election
54 minutes ago
By Alan Elsner


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Millions of U.S. citizens, including a disproportionate number of black voters, will be blocked from voting in the Nov. 2 presidential election because of legal barriers, faulty procedures or dirty tricks, according to civil rights and legal experts.

The largest category of those legally disenfranchised consists of almost 5 million former felons who have served prison sentences and been deprived of the right to vote under laws that have roots in the post-Civil War 19th century and were aimed at preventing black Americans from voting.

But millions of other votes in the 2000 presidential election were lost due to clerical and administrative errors while civil rights organizations have cataloged numerous tactics aimed at suppressing black voter turnout. Polls consistently find that black Americans overwhelmingly vote for Democrats.

"There are individuals and officials who are actively trying to stop people from voting who they think will vote against their party and that nearly always means stopping black people from voting Democratic," said Mary Frances Berry, head of the U.S. Commission on Human Rights.

Vicky Beasley, a field officer for People for the American Way, listed some of the ways voters have been "discouraged" from voting.

"In elections in Baltimore in 2002 and in Georgia last year, black voters were sent fliers saying anyone who hadn't paid utility bills or had outstanding parking tickets or were behind on their rent would be arrested at polling stations. It happens in every election cycle," she said.

In a mayoral election in Philadelphia last year, people pretending to be plainclothes police officers stood outside some polling stations asking people to identify themselves. There have also been reports of mysterious people videotaping people waiting in line to vote in black neighborhoods.

Minority voters may be deterred from voting simply by election officials demanding to see drivers' licenses before handing them a ballot, according to Spencer Overton, who teaches law at George Washington University. The federal government does not require people to produce a photo identification unless they are first-time voters who registered by mail.

"African Americans are four to five times less likely than whites to have a photo ID," Overton said at a recent briefing on minority disenfranchisement.

Courtenay Strickland of the Americans Civil Liberties Union testified to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights last week that at a primary election in Florida last month, many people were wrongly turned away when they could not produce identification.

BLACKS' BALLOTS REJECTED

The commission, in a report earlier this year, said that in Florida, where President Bush won a bitterly disputed election in 2000 by 537 votes, black voters had been 10 times more likely than non-black voters to have their ballots rejected and were often prevented from voting because their names were erroneously purged from registration lists.

Additionally, Florida is one of 14 states that prohibit ex-felons from voting. Seven percent of the electorate but 16 percent of black voters in that state are disenfranchised.

In other swing states, 4.6 percent of voters in Iowa, but 25 percent of blacks, were disenfranchised in 2000 as ex-felons. In Nevada, it was 4.8 percent of all voters but 17 percent of blacks; in New Mexico, 6.2 percent of all voters but 25 percent of blacks.

In total, 13 percent of all black men are disenfranchised due to a felony conviction, according to the Commission on Civil Rights.

"This has a huge effect on elections but also on black communities which see their political clout diluted. No one has yet explained to me how letting ex-felons who have served their sentences into polling booths hurts anyone," said Jessie Allen of the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University.

Penda Hair, co-director of the Advancement Project, which seeks to ensure fair multiracial elections, recently reported that registrars across the country often claimed not to have received voter registration forms or rejected them for technical reasons that could have been corrected easily before voting day if the applicant had known there was a problem.

Beasley said that many voters who had registered recently in swing states were likely to find their names would not be on the rolls when they showed up on Election Day.

"There is very widespread delay in the swing states because there have been massive registration drives among minorities and those applications are not being processed quickly enough," she said.
 

Archslater

Monkey
Mar 6, 2003
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Indianapolis
Yeah, they just pulled that s--t here in Indianapolis. They sent out "voter information update" postcards last month. You had to verify your address, etc... and send it back. The problem was that it says in the fine print that if the card isn't returned/verified, you are not allowed to vote/your registration is canceled. Hmmm.......
 

pnj

Turbo Monkey till the fat lady sings
Aug 14, 2002
4,696
40
seattle
you can't have a revolution without guns, people.
lots and lots of guns. git 'em!
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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6
Tenchiro said:
Are people really this disgusting, in this day and age?
you mean white people, right?

Tenchiro said:
The largest category of those legally disenfranchised consists of almost 5 million former felons who have served prison sentences and been deprived of the right to vote under laws that have roots in the post-Civil War 19th century and were aimed at preventing black Americans from voting.
suffrage laws are also from this same time-frame...coincidence?
Tenchiro said:
Polls consistently find that black Americans overwhelmingly vote for Democrats.
they do their dirty tricks, we do ours. :rolleyes:
Tenchiro said:
In a mayoral election in Philadelphia last year, people pretending to be plainclothes police officers stood outside some polling stations asking people to identify themselves. There have also been reports of mysterious people videotaping people waiting in line to vote in black neighborhoods.
you mean white people, right?
Tenchiro said:
Minority voters may be deterred from voting simply by election officials demanding to see drivers' licenses before handing them a ballot,
i voted in the minority every gen'l election & this hasn't happened to me
Tenchiro said:
"African Americans are four to five times less likely than whites to have a photo ID," Overton said at a recent briefing on minority disenfranchisement.
in other news, a voter is 4 to 5 times less likely to be black than white
Tenchiro said:
Courtenay Strickland of the Americans Civil Liberties Union testified to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights last week that at a primary election in Florida last month, many people were wrongly turned away when they could not produce identification.
and we know the ACLU would never fear-monger. Just click here and read about how the Patriot Act will be used against you for any or no reason
Tenchiro said:
The commission, in a report earlier this year, said that in Florida, where President Bush won a bitterly disputed election in 2000 by 537 votes,
i'm not bitter.
Tenchiro said:
In total, 13 percent of all black men are disenfranchised due to a felony conviction, according to the Commission on Civil Rights.
ah, yes, that damned "conviction" did it to them; not "because they were convicted by a jury of their peers for breaking the law". Gotta love that spin.
Tenchiro said:
"This has a huge effect on elections but also on black communities which see their political clout diluted. No one has yet explained to me how letting ex-felons who have served their sentences into polling booths hurts anyone," said Jessie Allen of the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University.
then let's do away with sex-offender registration, gun laws which are "unfair" to felons who've served their time, etc.
 

bmxr

Monkey
Jan 29, 2004
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Marietta, GA
Unbelievable spin...the only points that didn't strike me as 100% anedotal and/or conjecture, was the statistics on the number of black voters are felons. White people that are convucted of felonies are also restricted from voting. The whole idea is that you want law abiding citizens to be the ones voting, not criminals. Just like you want law abiding citizens owning firearms, not criminals. What's wrong with that?

If, as a community, anyone wants political clout comensurate with their share of the population, don't commit felonies and go vote. Period. Everything else is bull**** excuses.
 

Tenchiro

Attention K Mart Shoppers
Jul 19, 2002
5,407
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New England
bmxr said:
Unbelievable spin...the only points that didn't strike me as 100% anedotal and/or conjecture, was the statistics on the number of black voters are felons. White people that are convucted of felonies are also restricted from voting. The whole idea is that you want law abiding citizens to be the ones voting, not criminals. Just like you want law abiding citizens owning firearms, not criminals. What's wrong with that?

If, as a community, anyone wants political clout comensurate with their share of the population, don't commit felonies and go vote. Period. Everything else is bull**** excuses.
On the other hand, if someone has paid their debt to society, why shouldn't they be allowed to vote?
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
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Japan
bmxr said:
Unbelievable spin...the only points that didn't strike me as 100% anedotal and/or conjecture, was the statistics on the number of black voters are felons. White people that are convucted of felonies are also restricted from voting. The whole idea is that you want law abiding citizens to be the ones voting, not criminals. Just like you want law abiding citizens owning firearms, not criminals. What's wrong with that?

If, as a community, anyone wants political clout comensurate with their share of the population, don't commit felonies and go vote. Period. Everything else is bull**** excuses.
This is interesting. "Do the crime, do the time" and your slate is not wiped clean? If you've paid your debt to society, why shouldn't you be allowed to vote? Should a person continue to pay for the rest of their life?
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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SF, CA
bmxr said:
White people that are convucted of felonies are also restricted from voting.
I don't have time to do the search right now, but you'll find a lot of evidence that released white felons are still able to vote despite their conviction. Nobody seems to go through the effort to blacklist (no pun intended) them. While I have my opinions about whether felons should vote, I wouldn't mind the law so much if it were evenly applied.

There was also the problem in the last election of thousands of innocent black males being blacklisted for felonies they didn't commit.
 

preppie

Monkey
Aug 30, 2002
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Europe
ohio said:
There was also the problem in the last election of thousands of innocent black males being blacklisted for felonies they didn't commit.
Yep Katherine Harris and Co did a great job....and she got away with it. :stosh:
 

bmxr

Monkey
Jan 29, 2004
195
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Marietta, GA
ohio said:
I don't have time to do the search right now, but you'll find a lot of evidence that released white felons are still able to vote despite their conviction. Nobody seems to go through the effort to blacklist (no pun intended) them. While I have my opinions about whether felons should vote, I wouldn't mind the law so much if it were evenly applied.

There was also the problem in the last election of thousands of innocent black males being blacklisted for felonies they didn't commit.
(first point) It is evenly applied as far as I'm concerned. Find something unbiased to show otherwise and I would agree with you. The problem is not that there is anything wrong with the law, but it should definitely be applied fairly. In Florida you can apply to have your civil rights reinstated, and if more white felons go through this process, then that is but one reason why more white felons may end up voting again. Just a possibility...

(second point)same. Point me toward some credible evidence of that, and I'll read it. Right now I am not convinced.

You (generally, not directed at ohio) can agree or disagree with the idea of not reinstating a felon's rights after release from prison, but to blame the whole thing just on racism is stupid and loses you credibility in the argument.