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VP Debate...
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I would argue that education DOES an effective leader make. I would also argue that critical reasoning skills acquired, developed, and honed in a formal higher education setting is also key. I will grant you that life experience counts for a great deal so perhaps I did over step my bounds a bit.
I am a part of the so called educational elite and hold a terminal degree so perhaps I am a bit biased, but I'll always pick a canidate with higher educational credentials over a less educated canidate. I guess I'm snob that way.
So, putting aside your obvious hate of Palin, go back and understand that the basic question I'm asking is not what makes HER qualified to be VP but how do we determine exactly what qualifications a person needs to be "qualified".
So you're ok with amending the Constitution to add on the requirement to have to know magazines read?
The bigger picture...the bigger picture. This election has drudged up the talk of what's considered "qualified". Other than everyone's opinion, the only hard set qualification is what's in the Constitution. Look past your hate of Palin and think seriously about what should be required of a potential President or VP candidate.
I agree with you on the higher education adding a tremendous amount to life experiences, I was just questioning whether it should be a sole qualifier or dis qualifier to run for a national office.
I am so sorry to hear that. How much longer do you have to live? I'm glad I didn't go to no college. Doc says I'm as healthy as a horse.
I have no problem amending the constitution to include basic requirements for VP and pres. The magazine comment was an example.
A simple SAT or at least GED style test. Maybe a multiple choice plus a short essay. Make sure the candidate has COMMON KNOWLEDGE of the USA and the world, not a narrow Christian podunk town view.
It isn't. Maybe it should be?
Here is why I think Palin is not qualified. I don't want this representing my country:
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Stunning resemblence, wouldn't you say?
I'm no expert, but I think the intent of the constitution in this regard is that the common man can be involved in governing.
The US and the world was a way different place back then.
Education is vital to success in the modern world. Isn't that what we've all heard growing up ? Get good grades in High School, get into a good college so you can get a good job.
An education is much more than books and grades, it's the foundation for who you are. Ideologies, view points and understanding of your environment are greatly expanded upon by education. The better quality of education you have the better off you are.
I was surprised when she had to resort to a non-answer to the question "what magazines or newspapers do you read?" It's almost like she's been programmed to give a non-answer to anything and everything, so the easier the question (see above), the harder time she has answering it.
Ifill - "So, Sarah, what's your favorite color?"
Palin - "You know, um, that, uh, media elite, second guess, and ummm... go Alaska!"
I agree. Especially when it comes to education/experience outside the classroom as well book smart vs people smart balance and being able to apply what you have learned from that fancy college.
they should pick up teh nuge as their spokesman
it's ok: whitey's slapping a white chick
an arrogant elitist is most likely to also be a multi-culturist. b/c of this, europe, for all its enlightenment, is a few minutes closer to armageddon than you think
Are you referring to the myth of a Muslim takeover of Europe?
now why would you suggest such a thing?
i'm referring to the extent to which extremist views are validated just b/c they have the numbers to make a significant plurality.
good to see here on this forum christianity & conservatism are kept in check.
We "validate" the Evangelicals, they have extremist views are validated just because they have the numbers to make a significant plurality.
It is a matter of allowing free speech and freedom of association, not validating their ideas. I've heard a lot of people talking about Muslims taking over Europe, and I wanted to make sure that it wasn't what you were referring to.
It is a matter of allowing free speech and freedom of association, not validating their ideas. I've heard a lot of people talking about Muslims taking over Europe, and I wanted to make sure that it wasn't what you were referring to.
clearly, we will have differing evaluations as to the extent to which muslim extremists are conforming/confronting traditional europe; and that's all well & good.
history, however, has shown us europe has a rich history in backlash, so this too will be resolved. and b/c these particular muslims are brown, we'll just sit idly by during the next "market correction"
history, however, has shown us europe has a rich history in backlash, so this too will be resolved. and b/c these particular muslims are brown, we'll just sit idly by during the next "market correction"
It is about facts and figures.
4% of the population is Muslim, and Muslim birth rates are dropping faster than native European birth rates. In countries that are the most multicultural, Muslim immigrants are seeing the biggest drop in birth rates. For example, in Germany, which has one of the longest standing Muslim immigrant populations, the rate has fallen to 1.9 children from 4.4 in 1970. Turks in Switzerland also have 1.9, while those in the Netherlands have 1.6, fewer than white British people do. Muslim women in France have 2.2 children, barely more than non-Muslim women there, and that number is falling.
The most religious countries are the ones with the biggest drop in birth rates, if anything, they are conforming better to secular multicultural societies than the highly religious societies of Poland and Italy.
edit: Europe once faced a genuine fundamentalist threat. From 1345 to 1750, the church, a murderous, terrorist, woman-hating force, seized considerable power. The Enlightenment took care of the church, not nationalism and intolerance
4% of the population is Muslim, and Muslim birth rates are dropping faster than native European birth rates. In countries that are the most multicultural, Muslim immigrants are seeing the biggest drop in birth rates. For example, in Germany, which has one of the longest standing Muslim immigrant populations, the rate has fallen to 1.9 children from 4.4 in 1970. Turks in Switzerland also have 1.9, while those in the Netherlands have 1.6, fewer than white British people do. Muslim women in France have 2.2 children, barely more than non-Muslim women there, and that number is falling.
The most religious countries are the ones with the biggest drop in birth rates, if anything, they are conforming better to secular multicultural societies than the highly religious societies of Poland and Italy.
edit: Europe once faced a genuine fundamentalist threat. From 1345 to 1750, the church, a murderous, terrorist, woman-hating force, seized considerable power. The Enlightenment took care of the church, not nationalism and intolerance
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Really? It's debatable?? Really? It's up for discussion?
Or were you referring to the popular 9th (all-be-it obsolete) definition of the word??
wat?
You've watched the interviews and commented on them yourself. You really want to belabor this point more??!!?
Great.
Edit: This was before X3 clarified his position....
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Of course the birth rates are dropping, all the youth are blowing themselves up for allah.
When I lived in NL, the biggest gripe I heard was that the muslims were not assimilating into dutch culture (can't blame them there). The angst wasn't just about the immigration per se, but rather the fact that refused to become a part of their host country.
That's the case with every immigrant population, it was the same issue with the Germans, Irish, and Chinese in the U.S. It just seems silly that history is repeating itself so blatantly, and people don't notice.
I don't know, my german grandparents happily embraced the american way, as did my wifes italian and irish grandparents.
retaining some of your native culture (food, language etc) is different that railing against your host society (which the muslims in NL did both vocally and physically).
There were many German communities where most of the population spoke only German. Also, since many of the immigrants were Catholic, there was violence against Protestant churches by immigrants.
Many do what you said above, retain part of their home culture and part of the new culture, but they don't get the same press coverage.
You don't need a ****ing constitutional amendment to want your VP and Pres to have done *something* to demonstrate
- a knowledge of their country and their world
- an ability to think critically and make well-informed decisions
- an ability to inspire people, especially collaboration between unlike groups
All of the above are completely agnostic to political or moral stance, but if you don't hold your candidates to that, you're a ****ing idiot asking to be ****ed for 8 more years. **** it.
Also, let's face it - we lucked the **** out with Lincoln. The stars aligned... he never should have been president, he never should have been good as a president, and he ended up being great. I for one am not willing to pray that Lincoln-lightening strikes again.
- a knowledge of their country and their world
- an ability to think critically and make well-informed decisions
- an ability to inspire people, especially collaboration between unlike groups
All of the above are completely agnostic to political or moral stance, but if you don't hold your candidates to that, you're a ****ing idiot asking to be ****ed for 8 more years. **** it.
Also, let's face it - we lucked the **** out with Lincoln. The stars aligned... he never should have been president, he never should have been good as a president, and he ended up being great. I for one am not willing to pray that Lincoln-lightening strikes again.
I put Lincoln-logs in the toilet every morn....How hard would it be to generate lightening outta that??? Really......
should have added " darn right" to the drinking game.
or Nukular.
watching on CNN, and I'm amazed that men seem to have a "thing" for Palin.
Noookyoooolurr
Of all people to talk about early withdrawal...
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maybe palin should borrow ifil's hooked on ebonics tape - it worked for her!
I like how she can mispronounce it 3 different ways in one sentence. Real Tallent.
wait, we're back to pre-surge levels in Iraq now? 
" not used to the ways you guys operate in washington" wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwww not the words i would have used.
Holy crap, when will this dumbass actually answer a question? She should be disqualified for being evasive.
yeah, i used to date this girl who like to tell me it was her first time.
it was sexy the first few times