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Echo

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Old Man G Funk said:
Why not?

Shouldn't equality apply here. We standardize things across states and the country in order to make certain items and services obtainable for all. Medicine falls into this category. In the example of the person in the Bible Belt town, don't you think that it would be a good idea to make sure pharmacies carry things like birth control so that people can actually obtain it?
Does this "medicine" require a prescription?

When I got my Lasik surgery, I was handed several prescriptions on the way out the door, with specific instructions as to which local pharmacies had what I needed. Imagine that.
 

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Echo said:
Does this "medicine" require a prescription?

When I got my Lasik surgery, I was handed several prescriptions on the way out the door, with specific instructions as to which local pharmacies had what I needed. Imagine that.
You can move the goal posts, but the fact remains that the government does have a compelling interest in making sure that some things are standardized. If carrying this product is standardized for pharmacies, and Walmart isn't carrying it, for whatever reason, then it is reasonable to take means to correct that and make Walmart conform to the law.
 

ohio

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Okay, because the issue makes people go all cross-eyed, let's for the sake of argument forget that it's a birth control med.

Let's assume it treats a flesh eating virus. The virus will kill you if you don't get medication within 24 hours. For the sake of argument, because WalMart claims this was a business decision, let's assume drug stores simply will not make money on this drug. Because of the urgency of treatment the federal government mandates that all pharmacies must stock a few doses. Does the pharmacy, a heavily regulated business that every pharmacy owner knew was heavily regulated when they opened theirs up, have the right to refuse to carry this drug? Whether you like it or not, the legal answer is **** no, they can't refuse it.
 

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You're confusing a slut having unprotected sex with someone accidentally contracting a deadly virus. I mean if sluts wanna do what they do, more power to 'em, hell I've enjoyed a few in my day. But expecting the government to pick up after them is silly.
 

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Echo said:
You're confusing a slut having unprotected sex with someone accidentally contracting a deadly virus. I mean if sluts wanna do what they do, more power to 'em, hell I've enjoyed a few in my day. But expecting the government to pick up after them is silly.
So she should be punished with pregnancy? What kind of punishment does the douchebag who tapped it without a jimmy get?

And as I've already mentioned, lots of relatively responsible and monogamous women get pregnant accidentally.

AND as I've already mentioned, Walmart has stated this is a business decision, not a moral one. So your opinion of the morality of the drug really has nothing at all to do with it. They are legally required to do something if they want to operate this business and they are not doing it.
 

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ohio said:
They are legally required to do something if they want to operate this business and they are not doing it.
Actually, the whole reason for the lawsuit here is because one party feels Walmart is legally required to carry the drug, and Walmart feels they are not. Until a court decides, your statement is incorrect IMO.
 

LordOpie

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Echo said:
You're confusing a slut having unprotected sex with someone accidentally contracting a deadly virus. I mean if sluts wanna do what they do, more power to 'em, hell I've enjoyed a few in my day. But expecting the government to pick up after them is silly.
if you're going to think about it that logically, then you should encourage sluts to abort with a $10 pill... that's the most cost-effective solution. And you darn well know that if said slut has a kid that they'll likely collect some sort of welfare.
 

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Echo said:
Actually, the whole reason for the lawsuit here is because one party feels Walmart is legally required to carry the drug, and Walmart feels they are not. Until a court decides, your statement is incorrect IMO.
Fair enough, but people are making the statement in this thread that Walmart doesn't have the legal obligation to carry ANY drug it doesn't want to, and that is wrong. We'll leave it up to the courts to decide for this one.
 

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LordOpie said:
if you're going to think about it that logically, then you should encourage sluts to abort with a $10 pill... that's the most cost-effective solution. And you darn well know that if said slut has a kid that they'll likely collect some sort of welfare.
True, the government (and there for you and I) end up paying for it anyway.
 

BurlyShirley

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ohio said:
So she should be punished with pregnancy? What kind of punishment does the douchebag who tapped it without a jimmy get?
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25% of his income taken away for the rest of his life, or half the cost of an abortion.
 

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[Verse 1: Black Thought]
Knocked up 9 months ago
And what she finna have she don't know
She want neo-soul, this hip-hop is old
She don't want no rock-n-roll
She want platinum or ice or gold
She want a whole lotta somethin' to fold
If you a obstacle she just drop ya cold
Cuz one monkey don't stop the show
Little Mary is bad
In these streets she done ran
E'er since when the heat began
I told the girl look here
Calm down I'ma hold your hand
To enable you to peep the plan
Cuz you is quick to learn
And we can make money to burn
If you allow me the latest game
I don't ask for much, but enough room to spread my wings
And the world finna know my name

[Verse 2: Cody Chesnutt]
I don't ask, for much these days
And I don't bitch, and whine, if I don't get my way
I only wanna fertilize another behind my lover's back
I sit and watch it grow standin' where I'm at
Fertilize another behind my lover's back
And I'm keepin' my secrets mine
I push my seed in her push for life
Its gonna work because I'm pushin' it right
If Mary drops my baby girl tonight
I would name her Rock-N-Roll

[Verse 3: Black Thought]
Uh-huh
Cadillac need space to roam
Where we headin for she don't know
We in the city where the pros shake rattle and roll
And I'm a gaddang rollin' stone
I don't beg I can hold my own
I don't break I can hold the chrome
And this weighin' a ton and I'm a son of a gun
My code name is The Only One and Black Thought is bad
These streets he done ran ever since when the game began
I never played the fool
Matta fact I be keepin' it cool
Since money been changing hands
And I'm left to shine, but the legacy that I leave behind be the seed
that'll keep the flame
I don't ask for much but enough room to spread these wings
And the world finna know my name

[Verse 4: Cody Chesnutt]
I don't beg
For no rich man
And I don't scream, and kick, when his **** don't fall in my hands, man
Cuz I know how to still
Fertilize another against my lover's will
I lick the opposition cuz she don't take no pill
Ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-no dear
You'll be keeping my legend alive
I push my seed in her push for life
Its gonna work because I'm pushin' it right
If Mary drops my baby girl tonight
I would name her Rock-N-Roll
Oh-ooh break it down, break it down, break down beat

[break]
I push my seed somewhere deep in her chest
I push it naked cuz I've takin my test
Deliverin' Mary it don't matter the sex
I'm gon' name it rock and roll
I push my seed in my push for life
It's gonna work becuz I'm pushin it right
If Mary drop my baby girl, tonight
I would name her Rock-N-Roll
I would name her Rock-N-Roll
I would name her Rock-N-Roll yeah
I would name it Rock-N-Roll
 

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BurlyShirley said:
25% of his income taken away for the rest of his life, or half the cost of an abortion.
18 years, 18 years
She got one of yo kids got you for 18 years
I know somebody payin child support for one of his kids
His baby momma's car and crib is bigger than his
You will see him on TV Any Given Sunday
Win the Superbowl and drive off in a Hyundai
She was spose to buy ya shorty TYCO with ya money
She went to the doctor got lypo with ya money
She walkin around lookin like Micheal with ya money
Should of got that insured got GEICO for ya moneeey
If you aint no punk holla We Want Prenup
WE WANT PRENUP!, Yeaah
It's something that you need to have
Cause when she leave yo ass she gone leave with half
18 years, 18 years
And on her 18th birthday he found out it wasn't his
 

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Echo said:
You're confusing a slut having unprotected sex with someone accidentally contracting a deadly virus. I mean if sluts wanna do what they do, more power to 'em, hell I've enjoyed a few in my day. But expecting the government to pick up after them is silly.
How about if she could not take the contraceptive pill for medical reasons, had sex with a condom with her husband of ten years and the condom ripped?

Is she still a slut and should she not be pilloried publicly for not having a more serious complaint? Stick her in stocks and throw rotten bits of aborted foetus at her 'cos she's a woman, dammit.

Oh, and Walmart are breaking the law, should law-breakers be able to get away with it?
 

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fluff said:
How about if she could not take the contraceptive pill for medical reasons, had sex with a condom with her husband of ten years and the condom ripped?

Is she still a slut and should she not be pilloried publicly for not having a more serious complaint? Stick her in stocks and throw rotten bits of aborted foetus at her 'cos she's a woman, dammit.

Oh, and Walmart are breaking the law, should law-breakers be able to get away with it?
In that rare instance, she could go to a pharmacy that carries what she needs.
 

Echo

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fluff said:
So you are OK with Wal-Mart picking which laws they would like to comply with?
Let's see what the court decides. Walmart doesn't see that as a "necessary medicine" and I'm not sure I do either. There are lots of contraceptives available, it's not like the morning after pill is the only option.
 

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Echo said:
Let's see what the court decides. Walmart doesn't see that as a "necessary medicine" and I'm not sure I do either. There are lots of contraceptives available, it's not like the morning after pill is the only option.
It is by that point. Surely it is better than waiting four months and getting an abortion?
 

Echo

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fluff said:
It is by that point. Surely it is better than waiting four months and getting an abortion?
Acting surprised when boinking causes pregnancy is like acting surprised when sticking your hand under a running lawnmower causes finger loss.
 

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Echo said:
Acting surprised when boinking causes pregnancy is like acting surprised when sticking your hand under a running lawnmower causes finger loss.
Would you deny me a post-lawnmower-idiocy finger-reattachment pill just because I'm dumb?
 

Echo

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fluff said:
Would you deny me a post-lawnmower-idiocy finger-reattachment pill just because I'm dumb?
Would you sue a doctor for sending you to a finger reattachment specialist if it wasn't a procedure he normally performed?
 

BurlyShirley

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IMO, if you want to have a pharmacy, the rules of it should be dictated by medicine, not morals.Simple as that.
 

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Echo said:
Would you sue a doctor for sending you to a finger reattachment specialist if it wasn't a procedure he normally performed?
Only if he were legally obliged to be able to perform it.

(Actually I wouldn't sue because I'm British and it's not the done thing over here, old chap.)
 

Echo

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BurlyShirley said:
IMO, if you want to have a pharmacy, the rules of it should be dictated by medicine, not morals.Simple as that.
Well according to Walmart, this is not a moral decision but a business decision.

I friggin hate Walmart. But I hate the government bullying everyone even more.
 

BurlyShirley

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Echo said:
Well according to Walmart, this is not a moral decision but a business decision.

I friggin hate Walmart. But I hate the government bullying everyone even more.
Still, I think it makes sense to have things like pharmacies regulated. I dont support sue happy skanks, but it just seems logical that a pharmacy should be required to carry certain drugs. A morning after pill, IMO, should be one of those because the last thing we need are more abortions or neglected kids. How hard is it to put a pill on a shelf? Is Wal Mart going to be that financially hurt by a few pills?
 

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Echo said:
You're confusing a slut having unprotected sex with someone accidentally contracting a deadly virus. I mean if sluts wanna do what they do, more power to 'em, hell I've enjoyed a few in my day. But expecting the government to pick up after them is silly.
You are "Poisoning the Well" here. We have no clue whether the plaintiffs are "sluts" or not, and really it has no bearing on whether Walmart carries a legal responsibility to stock certain drugs.
 

Old Man G Funk

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Echo said:
Well according to Walmart, this is not a moral decision but a business decision.

I friggin hate Walmart. But I hate the government bullying everyone even more.
Do you really believe it's a "business decision"? If you do, I've got a bridge to sell you.
 

Old Man G Funk

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Echo said:
Actually, the whole reason for the lawsuit here is because one party feels Walmart is legally required to carry the drug, and Walmart feels they are not. Until a court decides, your statement is incorrect IMO.
It doesn't matter in this case. One side feels that Walmart is in violation of law. From that standpoint, they are well within their rights to petition the court to have Walmart correct their practices.
 

Echo

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Old Man G Funk said:
It doesn't matter in this case. One side feels that Walmart is in violation of law. From that standpoint, they are well within their rights to petition the court to have Walmart correct their practices.
And Walmart is well within their rights to defend themselves. And you and I are well within our rights to form opinions about it.
 

Old Man G Funk

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Echo said:
And Walmart is well within their rights to defend themselves. And you and I are well within our rights to form opinions about it.
That's correct, but you were attacking the "sluts" that can't simply go down the street to the CVS. I'm glad you have come around on this.
 

LordOpie

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It's ironic that Wal-Mart is on the other side of this same issue in Illnois...

We discussed some phamacists refusing to sell this same drug in IL and Wal-Mart firing them for breaking the law. While I hate WM, they were cool in offering a transfer for these phamacists to a state where the law isn't applicable.