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My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
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Towing the party line.
So do y ou want to buy the eiffel tower? Can't afford it?

Simple - buy it on credit!

US spends its way to 28 Eiffel towers: made out of pure gold
From Tim Reid in Washington

IF YOU are worried about how much you owe on your credit cards, this might put things in perspective: America’s national debt limit was increased yesterday to $9 trillion. That’s $9,000,000,000,000 — enough to buy Buckingham Palace 9,000 times.
The increase, passed by Congress, allows the Government to borrow another $781 billion (£447 billion), increasing the national debt limit — the maximum America can borrow — from $8 trillion and $184 billion to $8 trillion and $961 billion.

If the debt ceiling, which is set by Congress, had not been raised by March 24, the Administration would not have been able to borrow more money and the US would have begun to default on its domestic and foreign obligations, an untenable consequence.

The vote to increase the debt limit, requested by the White House, is the fourth since Mr Bush took office. In 2001 the national debt was $5.7 trillion. Today it has ballooned to $8.2 trillion, figures rarely talked about in Washington.

The national debt is the total amount owed by the Government. It is not to be confused with the federal budget deficit, which is the yearly amount by which spending exceeds revenue. When budget deficits are big, the national debt inevitably increases.

When Mr Bush took office he inherited a $236 billion budget surplus. Bill Clinton, his predecessor, had used budget surpluses to pay down some of the national debt in his last two years in office. Mr Bush also inherited some extraordinarily overoptimistic projections. Experts pronounced that budget surpluses would increase to $5.6 trillion over ten years, and there was even heady talk of paying off the entire national debt with the proceeds.

Since then a combination of factors — the September 11, 2001, attacks, unexpectedly low tax revenues, Mr Bush’s tax cuts and runaway government spending — have plunged the yearly budget back into deficit. This year it will reach nearly $400 billion.

What worries many analysts is the amount of US debt financed by foreign governments and banks, particularly in Asia. The national debt is split between publicly held debt — money owed to US and foreign investors — and money owed to branches of the Government. Nearly half the publicly owed debt is held by foreigners. Japan is the biggest creditor, at $668 billion. China, the second-biggest, recently increased its stake by $40 billion to $263 billion.

“We used to have much less held by foreigners,” Alice Rivlin, a former budget director for Mr Clinton, said. “It makes you much more vulnerable to people’s agendas.”

Historically, today’s national debt is the highest in dollar terms, but not as a percentage of GDP. In 1946 it was $270 billion — 122 per cent of GDP.

Today it is 65 per cent of GDP, very close to the postwar high of 67 per cent in 1996.

America has had a national debt since 1791, when it was $75 million. Today it rises by that amount every hour.

$9 TRILLION


Is roughly four times Britain’s GDP
Equates to $1,500 for every man, woman and child in the world
Would buy all the tea in China. In fact it would buy all the tea in the world for the next 2,000 years.

Is enough to solve the Palestinian crisis by rehousing every Israeli and Palestinian family in a £1.5m detached house in Henley-on-Thames
Would build 28 Eiffel Towers — constructed out of gold.
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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"how many times do you guys have the same conversations?" ~ the girlfriend in reference to this thread when I went on a tirade about how dems have been fiscally responsible with the repubs phucking us as of the last 25 years
 

BurlyShirley

Rex Grossman Will Rise Again
Jul 4, 2002
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I agree its getting a bit ****ing ridiculous.

...But wouldnt it be cool if we built our own eiffel tower, just like 5 feet taller than the original and made out of gold just to piss the french off?
 

Ciaran

Fear my banana
Apr 5, 2004
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So Cal
I just don't understand finance.

We owe money.
We give away money. (Aid to other countries)
We spend too much money.

Do other countries owe us money?
Will we ever get rid of this debt, or is this something that "has" to be there?
Who do we owe this money to?
If we have a debt of 9 trillion, how did we have a "surplus"?

If anyone wants to be a teacher and explain these thigs to me I am all ears. Seriously, I just do not understand finace. Which is why the wife manages our family accounts.

BurlyShirley said:
I agree its getting a bit ****ing ridiculous.

...But wouldnt it be cool if we built our own eiffel tower, just like 5 feet taller than the original and made out of gold just to piss the french off?
Yeah, cause the French have never done anything nice for us, like help us with that revolution thing, or that weird lady statue in New York.

That's something else I don't understand, this hating the French. Why? I can understand if you're English and you hate the French cause you're mortal enemies and all that.
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Do other countries owe us money?
national debt is owed via US Treasury Bonds. Just like we have bonds, other countries do as well. So, I'm sure we hold bonds from other countries. Everyone owes everyone else.

Will we ever get rid of this debt, or is this something that "has" to be there?
Some debt is necessary for the Federal Reserve Bank to adjust interest rates. But trillions is just dumb.

Who do we owe this money to?
Many US citizens hold bonds, so some of the money we owe is owed to ourselves.

If we have a debt of 9 trillion, how did we have a "surplus"?
Debt is the grand total. Surplus/deficit is an annual budget thing.


I advocate a balanced budget... one where we save some money during boom years and spend some more during recessions.
 

BurlyShirley

Rex Grossman Will Rise Again
Jul 4, 2002
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TN
Ciaran said:
Yeah, cause the French have never done anything nice for us, like help us with that revolution thing, or that weird lady statue in New York.

That's something else I don't understand, this hating the French. Why? I can understand if you're English and you hate the French cause you're mortal enemies and all that.
We've been great allies (dont forget what we've done for them) but they are snobbish elitist a-holes. Nothing like pissing them off. I dont care about it politically, but just for the hell of it.
 

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My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
18,040
3
Towing the party line.
I believe that a huge amount of the debt is now foreign, and that is the major issue. It potentially puts the us economy in the hands of foreign nations as they can control fiscal policy to some extent.

The ridiculous part i sthat the US had to raise the debt limit in order not to default on money owed. Ouch. Borrowing to pay back loans doesn't seem like a very responsible idea. In fact, I'm pretty sure most personal financial planners woudl have a heart attack if you tried this on your own.
 

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My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
18,040
3
Towing the party line.
Ciaran said:
I just don't understand finance.

We owe money.
We give away money. (Aid to other countries)
We spend too much money.

Do other countries owe us money?
Will we ever get rid of this debt, or is this something that "has" to be there?
Who do we owe this money to?
If we have a debt of 9 trillion, how did we have a "surplus"?

If anyone wants to be a teacher and explain these thigs to me I am all ears. Seriously, I just do not understand finace. Which is why the wife manages our family accounts.



Yeah, cause the French have never done anything nice for us, like help us with that revolution thing, or that weird lady statue in New York.

That's something else I don't understand, this hating the French. Why? I can understand if you're English and you hate the French cause you're mortal enemies and all that.
Everyone owes each other, it is what keeps economies going, it is what allows central banks to operate. Not all contries run a huge debt, nor do they irresponsibly add to it year after year. For the last few years Canada has actually managed to turn a profit - with more social programs, less taxes and 268 million less people.

If everyone with savings bonds, and every foreign investor cashed in their investments at once, the US economy would come to a screeching halt as they simply couldn't pay it back. The fact that this is statictically impossible is what keeps things running.
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
43,540
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Portland, OR
I think Jon Stewart said it best:
"It's like you got an F, but in stead of studying harder, you just push the scale out to K. Now your F looks like a C."
 

DaveW

Space Monkey
Jul 2, 2001
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BurlyShirley said:
I agree its getting a bit ****ing ridiculous.

...But wouldnt it be cool if we built our own eiffel tower, just like 5 feet taller than the original and made out of gold just to piss the french off?

well that would be the american thing to do.... Tacky. :nopity:
 

dante

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Feb 13, 2004
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BurlyShirley said:
We've been great allies (dont forget what we've done for them) but they are snobbish elitist a-holes. Nothing like pissing them off. I dont care about it politically, but just for the hell of it.
what I think is funny is that the French spent a LOT of money and risked their own neck quite a bit helping us out during our Revolutionary War. they were still deep in debt from fighting the British, but still ended up helping us out (once it looked like there was a chance we might win).

however, when France was battling Britain under Napoleon, they expected our help since they had saved our asses (or at least brought the war to an end quicker) 30 years prior. since we didn't agree with their going to war in the first place, we told them they were on their own. Hmmmmmm, sound familiar? :oink:
 

BurlyShirley

Rex Grossman Will Rise Again
Jul 4, 2002
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TN
dante said:
what I think is funny is that the French spent a LOT of money and risked their own neck quite a bit helping us out during our Revolutionary War. they were still deep in debt from fighting the British, but still ended up helping us out (once it looked like there was a chance we might win).

however, when France was battling Britain under Napoleon, they expected our help since they had saved our asses (or at least brought the war to an end quicker) 30 years prior. since we didn't agree with their going to war in the first place, we told them they were on their own. Hmmmmmm, sound familiar? :oink:
You're opening a whole other can of worms here. The reason france supported the US during the rev. war had nothing to do with their love for america. They got what they wanted out of that deal. People are allies when they have similar interests.