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War against America

N8 v2.0

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The Cleft of Venus
War against America
Jerusalem Pot | 8-31-04 | BARRY RUBIN

Imagine a revelation 10 years ago that Iran was paying thousands of people to kill Americans daily.

Something remarkable has happened, even by the Middle East's usual standards. For the first time in history states in the region are conducting a systematic, covert war against the United States.

The question is, what can America do about it? Not much.

The war is being conducted in Iraq, mainly by Iran, but also by Syria. In both cases, evidence indicates that: Groups are being encouraged to attack and kill Americans in Iraq.

Recruitment of terrorists is being freely allowed, as is their training, financing, arming, and transport to the Iraqi border, where they are permitted to cross over to wage war on the US.

In Iran, citizens are being used in a war against the US in order to destabilize and try to take over Iraq.

To some extent, Teheran exercises influence over the forces of Muqtada al-Sadr, who has repeatedly set off fighting with the coalition forces. While the exact extent of Iranian involvement can be debated, the fact that it exists on a large scale is clear.

Let there be no mistake: This is a major development and sets a dangerous precedent for the future.

While there have been many reports about Syrian and Iranian involvement in the Iraq fighting, virtually no one has noted the implications. If Damascus and Teheran can get away with waging a direct war against America – not just a sporadic sponsorship of isolated terrorist attacks, as has happened in the past – how much credibility and deterrence will the US have against radical regimes?

Moreover, this is taking place at a time when US power and regional presence is at a peak.

Would there be violence in Iraq without this subversive intervention? Certainly. But it would be at a much lower level, meaning fewer American soldiers and civilians would be dying in Iraq, there would be more domestic support for continuing the commitment there, and the new Iraqi government would have a much better chance of reestablishing stability.

A variety of other charges can be brought against the two radical regimes.

Syria is suspected of hiding high-ranking Saddamist officials and weapons and of concealing mass-destruction materiel.

Iran had suspicious ties with Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida after it was driven out of Afghanistan. At a minimum, it gave safe passage to anti-American terrorists and is probably allowing them to operate from its soil. In addition, it is busily developing nuclear weapons and will soon have them, as well as the missiles to deliver them to distant targets.

Why, then, can the US do so little about the problem?

First, it is overextended in Iraq, spending vast amounts of money and using pretty much all the available military forces.

Second, support for its presence in Iraq is already falling rapidly. There would be no domestic backing or international support for engaging in a wider war.

Third, after having been so criticized for going into Iraq in the first place, the administration would not have much credibility in charging that Iran and Syria are engaged in aggressive activities.

Finally, both Syria and Iran would be tougher adversaries than Iraq; the result would be horrendous, bloody, inconclusive, and endless wars if the US decided to fight them.

The US Congress recently passed a law to penalize Syria for its behavior, and there have long been sanctions against Iran. The former, however, is fairly meaningless, while the latter have inflicted costs on Teheran, but nowhere near enough to make it change policy.

In both cases, too, Europe is ready, even eager, to violate the US sanctions and tighten relations with these terrorist-sponsoring states.

Given US inability to do much about the problem, even President George W. Bush – who coined the phrase "axis of evil" and calls for subverting dictators by supporting democracy – has been careful not to play up the issue.

Imagine if it had been revealed five or 10 years ago that Iran was urging, ordering, organizing, and paying hundreds or even thousands of people to kill Americans on a daily basis. Now this situation is being taken for granted.

It is thus unlikely that the US, regardless of who is elected president in November, would take strong and direct action if Iran announced it possessed nuclear weapons. These are uncomfortable realities, and they must be faced.

No matter what anyone argues, this passivity is not going to change. Having gone into Iraq and found that step so controversial and relatively unsuccessful, the US is not going to undertake other offensive actions, whether or not they seem justifiable to some observers.

Arguably, any gain in the "fear factor" brought about by the US overthrow of Saddam is being eroded. Those who argue, in the words of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini two decades ago, that the US cannot do a "damn thing" are having that feeling reinforced today.

The Iraq war's outcome has undermined the credibility of US power no matter how long American forces remain in Iraq. Indeed, one could argue that the longer they remain, the worse the problem will become.

The writer is director of the Global Research in International Affairs (GLORIA) Center, editor of the Middle East Review of International Affairs (MERIA) Journal, and editor of Turkish Studies.
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
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sounds like a unbiased source to me :rolleyes:
 

fluff

Monkey Turbo
Sep 8, 2001
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Imagine if it were twenty years ago and Afghanistan... someone funding guerilla warfare against the Soviet Union backed government?
 

Tenchiro

Attention K Mart Shoppers
Jul 19, 2002
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Say America were invaded, wouldn't we expect Canada to come to our defense? If they did would that also be considered terrorism?
 

s1ngletrack

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fluff said:
Imagine if it were twenty years ago and Afghanistan... someone funding guerilla warfare against the Soviet Union backed government?
Yeah - that'd be pretty crazy huh? Of course, we could always count on those who we supported as future allies, uh, ... right?
 

dante

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Feb 13, 2004
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Toshi said:
sounds like a unbiased source to me :rolleyes:
jpost is the source????? AAahahahahahaha. Currently on the "Opinion Page" of jpost:

Where boys and girls don't mix
By SHEA HECHT
Let youngsters learn without the distraction of the opposite sex.

Look who wants Bush to lose
By MICHAEL FREUND
Damascus, Ramallah and Teheran are hoping for a Kerry victory; American Jews should draw the appropriate conclusions.

Go all out, or pull out
By DAVID D. PERLMUTTER
Should America have destroyed the Iraqi town of Najaf to save it?

Bad advice from the Justice Ministry
By EVELYN GORDON
Suggesting Israel apply the Geneva Convention to the territories invites even more danger

At a mosque near you...
By ELWOOD MCQUAID
Most Muslim houses of worship in America are run by Wahabi imams and subsidized by Saudi Arabia

Yup, good old-fashioned, non-biased reporting here. :think:
 

MikeD

Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists
Oct 26, 2001
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N8, thanks for posting this... It sure expresses some of my feelings on how we're actually not safer at all, and are dangerously overextended in misguided nation-building which prevents us from attacking, or even posturing to attack, people who really want to harm us.

Iran's demographic is interesting, though. http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/iran/ So many young people...this really could be a place where, if we play it right, we can turn the status quo on its head. Definitely, the carrot and the stick need to be weighed, because there are obviously going to be long-term consequences to how the new generation perceives the US.