N8Note:
Ok, it is a sloooow day in the Political Debate Forum so here's something to think about:
Ok, it is a sloooow day in the Political Debate Forum so here's something to think about:
War on Terror vs. War on the President (Bush vs. Dem's)
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N8, just write something yourself. That always gets people fired up and the poli forum starts to go nuts. So just throw something good out there like "Tax the poor heavily so they have less incentive to be lazy"
Well, responding to the article...Id say that's right. I dont find the Dems to be pro-anything, as much as anti-Bush. I know that's the way of Bi-partisan politics and all, but we're in the middle of something that needs to be followed through. If Kerry vowed to continue steadfast in our current military strategy...Id vote democrat
The economy will fluctuate over time...always. Healthcare, gay marriages, illegals....whatever. Minor issues in my mind. I think Kerry might be a bit better at re-forming some busted relationships from before the war only because he's running 'opposed' to Bush. I dont like either of the candidates particularly, but Bush's views are more closely related to mine.
The economy will fluctuate over time...always. Healthcare, gay marriages, illegals....whatever. Minor issues in my mind. I think Kerry might be a bit better at re-forming some busted relationships from before the war only because he's running 'opposed' to Bush. I dont like either of the candidates particularly, but Bush's views are more closely related to mine.
Aren't they pro- balancing the budget?Originally posted by BurlySurly
Well, responding to the article...Id say that's right. I dont find the Dems to be pro-anything, as much as anti-Bush. I know that's the way of Bi-partisan politics and all, but we're in the middle of something that needs to be followed through. If Kerry vowed to continue steadfast in our current military strategy...Id vote democrat
And was does being against the current military policy not translate into be pro- an alternative.
You are right, it is the way of bi-partisan politics, most everyone here does it.
I havent heard a viable altrenative thus far.
Looks like a night for carp English..
Strategies change... even Bush/Rumsfield's strategy has shifted.
That being said, Kerry has been pretty explicit that he would maintain a similar troop presence in Iraq, against the far-left's wishes. Admittedly he still plays it as an attack on Bush; something along the lines of (paraphrased): "Now that we're there [and I voted for it
], we have a responsibility to stabilize and rebuild Iraq..." I believe he wants to initiate a much more international effort, but he's not pulling out if that's what you mean.Or are you talking more broadly? Iran, NK, etc?
edit: also, if you read up on Kerry, he actually has a very developed platform, with firmly defined policies (much more so, IMO, than Edwards). He's "pro" a lot of things. They just don't sift through the media, because CNN is busy picking on Bush and the general public doesn't care. They're more partisan than the partisans.
He's consistantly Pro-Kerry... anything else is subject to change depending on the political landscape.
Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. I just think we've made a stance...and its been effective. Stopping now is a bad idea. Iraq of course needs to be stabilized...but there are other problems out there.
Look, I'm sure you all know I'd probably be classified as a lefty. Now that I've gotten that out of the way, there is no way in hell the US can disengage from Iraq. If the US pulls out, there will be civil war. The most likely outcome of that is going to be Turkey attacking the Kurds in the north of the country, and an eventual fundamentalist Islamic regime in Iraq.
The only problem is figuring out how to avoid the fundamentalist Islmamic regime there anyways. If I had to guess, I'd say American troops will be in Iraq for at least 10 years.
The only problem is figuring out how to avoid the fundamentalist Islmamic regime there anyways. If I had to guess, I'd say American troops will be in Iraq for at least 10 years.
I'm not sure it will 10 years, but I agree the most stupid thing we could do would be to abandon Iraq right now.
Hind sight was always 20/20. Try to make the decision now.
Here's his foreign policy page from his campaign website: http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/foreignpolicy/
As far as I can tell it doesn't mention Iran and NK; however, I think one would have to be a moron to not recognize the strategic advantage provided by Bush's "bad-cop" treatment of the outside world. Kerry has done far too much work in the foreign policy arena to be that stupid. Will he take a hard-line isolationist approach like Bush? I doubt it. I would definitely expect him to take advantage of our demonstration of strength though, and the concessions that Bush's policy have forced on several key nations.
Hey Eienstein, I did.
If we left now it would mean even more chaos.
This is an entirely seperate issue than the question of whether or not we should have been there to begin with.
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... woulda, coulda, shoulda... are of little relavance at this point.
Are you allowed to vote and carry a firearm? On any anti-psychotic drugs?
We are not discussing woulda, coulda, shoulda, it was commented that leaving now would be bad. I agreed.
How are you not seeing this?
Seriously, any medical conditions that might explain your apparant lack of comprehension?
Conservatism isn't a medical condition, as far as I know
Admit it, you know your mindless blind hatred (and you are a hater) of Pres Bush prevents you from seeing the all the good that has come from the Iraqi liberation.
The President is leading the fight against Terror, John Kerry fighting his post Vietnam image.
Yawn.
I have been wrenching on my Jeep tonite, I have the rear spring pack in now.
Could you come over and fetch me beers?
Since your just spinning your wheels here, I figure you might as well do something worthy tonite.
I like beer, in fact, I'm drinkin' a Bud right now. Jeeps are cool, I used to have a CJ7. I'm a moderate to conservative registered Democrat. And I will vote for GW Bush again.
Yep, I'm slumming with Redhook tonite. The damn Snow Cap is all gone for the season.Originally posted by LordOpie
sorry, you drink bud, therefore your opinion doesn't count
Oh, N8 is ignorant and Bush is a bad, bad man. (Got to keep it political.)
Is that photo real? (As in not faked?)Originally posted by N8
The President is leading the fight against Terror, John Kerry fighting his post Vietnam image.
Does the US public buy an image that corny (and manipulative)?
actually, I think that photo is genuine -- I don't remember that one specifically, but they took a lot. And, at the time, everyone bought it because Bush appeared to be totally sincere. I think he was and I don't really like the guy. You can tell it's not faked or staged cuz Bush doesn't really have that stupid smirk on his face... hey, I'm the President, this is way cool. Bush is like the Keanu Reeves of Presidents.
Of course there is no way I can tell whether he is sincere or not. What surprises me is that the picture is so corny. What I mean is that if you wanted to make a spoof corny Bush photo-op-junkie style picture it would probably not be a lot different.
I can tell you that that photo was unrehearsed and is for real. I remember it in all the local papers. To all you Bush haters... sorry about that. I guess it's too bad he doesn't have that photogenic quality that Bill Clinton had.
Man,
Id like to hope so, because I think now, that Bush probably wont make it through this election. But as you keep saying, you keep hoping and expecting Kerry to be alot of things that he hasnt come out and actually said. If you read earleir threads...I'd wanted Kerry because I figure he is the most practical of the Dems. My guess and hope is that he'll pretty much keep the country the same as it is for awhile. He doesnt seem like the kind of guy who wants to make a ripple in history to me (unlike Dean or Clark) but more just the guy who wants to be the president. I could live with that.
I really doubt Kerry will be elected.