[DRB]

http://www.charlotte.com/115/story/42728.html

A judge Tuesday delayed the execution of Allen Holman, which had been set for this week, because prison officials could not find doctors willing to risk losing their medical licenses by participating.

In a related development, state prison officials filed a lawsuit seeking to prohibit the N.C. Medical Board from disciplining doctors under the board's new mandate that they may only observe, not monitor, executions. The state's protocol requires that a doctor monitor the vital signs of the condemned inmate.

The arguement

Prison officials are likely headed back to court to argue that a doctor's participation in an execution is not a medical procedure, and therefore not under the purview of the medical board. They are asking the judge to prohibit the Medical Board from disciplining any doctor involved in past or future executions.

North Carolina is the second state in which prison officials have not been able to find doctors willing to aid executioners. California's death penalty has been halted since last year after two anesthesiologists refused to participate and no other doctors would take their place.

Tuesday's order was the fifth time since January that Wake Superior Court Judge Donald Stephens stopped an execution because of legal challenges to a doctor's role in the death chamber.

Somehow I missed that this was even going on here.

 

[$tinkle]

don't call it an execution; call it a 288th trimester abortion. that's a medical procedure.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I always thought that it was funny when "cruel and unusual" punishment is brought up. Yeah...shooting someone 6 times and dumping the body off the side of the road is soooooooo humane.

So back to the news article: Doctors are worried about loosing their licenses issued by the state because the state wants them to observe, monitor, etc....whatever... executions...

I do think it's rather odd that they'd be there to "save" the inmate in the event that something goes "wrong". Back to the c&u argument I suppose...

huh....

 

[Westy]

don't call it an execution; call it a 288th trimester abortion. that's a medical procedure.

Stuffing him back in through his mothers twat before the procedure would be interesting.

 

[$tinkle]

they could just dig her up & use the plot for both, i reckon. that would save the tax payers a dime or two.

if she were still alive maybe he should be chummed & douched.

 

[Westy]

they could just dig her up & use the plot for both, i reckon. that would save the tax payers a dime or two.

if she were still alive maybe he should be chummed & douched.

With Lysol of course. Need to keep things neat for daddy.

 

[Echo]

Is it Friday already?

 

[N8 v2.0]

Is it Friday already?

how about the third paragraph from the end of this newz story:

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=d81c6fbf-8575-45c0-9274-c24f8f536910&k=27670

 

[Secret Squirrel]

The famed adult store Good Vibrations announced last week they would no longer sell sex toys containing phthalates, controversial chemical plasticizers believed by some to be hazardous to humans and the environment alike.

I could not, after reading "phthalates", read the rest of the article without making everything sound like it was spoken by Sylvester the cat....

Needless to say, I will be using "phthalates" in daily conversation here at work for the next week...I'll keep everyone updated on how it's going...

 

[DRB]

I just got off the phone with a doctor I know and he says the Board has made it crystal clear that they will smackdown any certified medical practitioner who violates their policy. Which is here

http://www.ncmedboard.org/Clients/NCBOM/Public/PublicMedia/capitalpunishment.htm

edit:

And according to him there are a number of state medical boards that are headed in the exact same direction. But not all states require a doctor to be present or involved to the degree that NC does.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

wow

45

 

[mogulskr]

What if they brought in a Doctor from another state? I wonder if it says a NC certified medical practitioner.

 

[Westy]

Outsource executions to Tejas.

 

[$tinkle]

from the NCMB positions statement, this is not allowed:

prescribing or administering tranquilizers and other psychotropic agents and medications that are part of the execution procedure​

but this is allowed:

relieving the acute suffering of a condemned person while awaiting execution, including providing tranquilizers​

 

[DRB]

What if they brought in a Doctor from another state? I wonder if it says a NC certified medical practitioner.

I asked the same question. In order to practice medicine in the state of NC you have to be certified by the NC Board (could be thru the normal certification process or acceptance of another states cert).

So why not get certified and come in do the execution and leave and don't worry about coming back... well with the recipriocal deals between State Boards it would get messy quick.

Apparently this is all rooted in "recent" changes by the AMA in regards to execution.

 

[valve bouncer]

Good to see some doctors living up to the Hippocratic Oath at least. Be nice if the state had enough balls to stand up to the savages who support the DP.

 

[ohio]

Good to see some doctors living up to the Hippocratic Oath at least. Be nice if the state had enough balls to stand up to the savages who support the DP.

DP isn't so savage if she's into that sort of thing.

 

[stevew]

Good to see some doctors living up to the Hippocratic Oath at least. Be nice if the state had enough balls to stand up to the savages who support the DP.

I hope this guy can be rehabilitated and released back into the world. Maybe find work as a clown at kiddie parties and go by the name Sticky.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Why do you even NEED a doctor to execute someone? Get some halfassed nurse assistant to give the injection. How hard could it be?

 

[valve bouncer]

I hope this guy can be rehabilitated and released back into the world. Maybe find work as a clown at kiddie parties and go by the name Sticky.

Don't be simple. Thinking the DP is retarded doesn't mean I think these ****ers shouldn't be punished. I'm quite happy to see this guy in prison until he dies.

 

[valve bouncer]

Why do you even NEED a doctor to execute someone? Get some halfassed nurse assistant to give the injection. How hard could it be?

The admonistration of the death penalty defies common sense anywhere it's used. This is a minor point.

 

[stevew]

Don't be simple. Thinking the DP is retarded doesn't mean I think these ****ers shouldn't be punished. I'm quite happy to see this guy in prison until he dies.

Not being simple, just having fun.

If the state can accelerate his death, what is the big deal?

If that makes me a savage, oh well.

 

[valve bouncer]

Not being simple, just having fun.

If the state can accelerate his death, what is the big deal?

If that makes me a savage, oh well.

Would you pull the lever, flick the switch, pull the trigger?

 

[$tinkle]

i've often thought the state could recover quite a bit of taxpayer spent money if they charged admission to attend or to transmit live feed for executions. we do it for boxing, ufc, and other direct events. of course, the outcome of those other events in indeterminate.

i think someone tried this a couple years back. <channeling dead rm thread>

 

[BurlyShirley]

i've often thought the state could recover quite a bit of taxpayer spent money if they charged admission to attend or to transmit live feed for executions. we do it for boxing, ufc, and other direct events. of course, the outcome of those other events in indeterminate.

i think someone tried this a couple years back. <channeling dead rm thread>

It would be better if we used the inmates to train our soldiers like the Russians do. Give them a fighting chance... then hey, the outcome would necessarily be known beforehand. Would be great TV too.

 

[stevew]

Would you pull the lever, flick the switch, pull the trigger?

Swinging a bat would burn more calories....

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Don't be simple. Thinking the DP is retarded doesn't mean I think these ****ers shouldn't be punished. I'm quite happy to see this guy in prison until he dies.

Then I expect you to be shelling out the difference in funds for all the death row inmates meals, guards salaries, and prison maintenance. (I didn't add cable t.v. because I'm sure there are some prisons that don't have that.)

I'm also sure there's a break-even point: Years in prison cost VS. execution cost. I'm just too lazy to find it.

 

[DRB]

I'm also sure there's a break-even point: Years in prison cost VS. execution cost. I'm just too lazy to find it.

Should economics really play a part in the death penalty debate?

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Should economics really play a part in the death penalty debate?

Are we there yet? No. Does it seem that the prison system is getting worse? Yes.

To answer your question, no, it shouldn't. But that's the kind of forward thinking person I am. Everyone thinks their tax dollars are important, I'm no exception. My taxes are going towards room and board for people that made the wrong choices. Why I have to support them is quite a connundrum to me. Being human, I want people to be the best they can be. Being realistic, I don't always wear my rose-colored spectacles.

*shrug*

Sometimes I think that the Middle East had the right punishment system way back in the day. I'm but merely one squirrel that has odd thoughts now and then, so take it fwiw.

 

[ohio]

Can we just write a script or some **** for a dealth penalty thread to self generate every 3 months or so?

 

[DRB]

Allen Holman's execution is one of several on hold in North Carolina, where the state medical board has threatened to punish any doctor who takes part in an execution.

"Why do they have a problem? They perform abortions, murder babies all the time," Holman told The Associated Press in an interview at the state's Central Prison. "They all of a sudden got conscience about their Hippocratic oath."

Seems like he's in a hurry to die.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Can we just write a script or some **** for a dealth penalty thread to self generate every 3 months or so?

/repeat>ad nauseum||\\barf/DP

 

[$tinkle]

/repeat>ad nauseum||\\barf/DP

wtf is that? forth? maple? lisp? prolog? pliant?

 

[Secret Squirrel]

wtf is that? forth? maple? lisp? prolog? pliant?

my own way of getting "ad nauseum", "barf", and "DP" all into the same post without getting too graphic...