Just going off memory, Hill has 12 all time world cup wins, Greg has 11 I think. Nico 16 and Peaty 17.
I could be off a win or 2
I could be off a win or 2
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After the Bromont WC you posted:
I'm simply going off of memory of what you've posted Stiks! If you were correct in the Bromont thread then they'd be tied at 11 for 3rd now.
True. But it does play into the mental factor of how you approach your next race and the totality of your season. No better example than Gee. He had the speed to win all year long, but we all saw how gutted he became when he blew during (was it Maribor?) finals after qualifying first. You could see that from that point on, it was in his head that he had to go "too" fast to make up ground and get back points.Huh? since when is flatting not your fault? especially with Maxxis tires.
That said, Minnaar flatted in qualies and as my previous post detail would have lost the overall by 11pts even with all qualifying pts thrown out.
peat's flat in maribor was a non-factor. he lost the overall by 211 pts, so even if he won maribor (200pts) he still loses the overall.
all the what-if's in the world don't mean much as no one had an incident free season (even then they don't mean much), and either way you slice it Hill won with consistency without making an exception for his dismal result in Andorra, a race wich he almost surely would have won (+200).
Now, if Scladming had a 40 second flat to uphill sprint at the end Minnaar might have been able to repeat his luck from '08. but gifts like that only come around so often
But saying a flat is the riders fault I can't agree with. At the Sugar National, a perfectly smooth exit onto the slope ruined something like half of the top 10's race runs. They all came down with flats b/c somehow at the end of Semi-Pro race runs just before pro race runs a razor sharp shark fin rock popped out of the grass and flipped straight up in the dip. It split my rim in Semis and destroyed the pros race runs. Nothing they could do about it as it was a random obstacle that couldn't be dodged and could slice through any tire.
In this sport, tires are the weakest link and unless you're going to run some really insanely burly tire that no one makes, I feel like flats are not always the riders fault....especially with guys who've been racing pro DH for 15+ years.
That make more sense?
it was based on your statement that he doesent wear any syndicate clothes which he did..."The end of the season is a time for reflection - what has been, what could have been, what will be in 2010! The pits are awash with rumors about who is going, staying, changing teams and Greg Minnaar features highly on peoples lips. -Gary Perkin" (quoted from: http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Schladming-2009-DH-Finals,224/Slideshow,1887/sspomer,2)
maybe not so much on drugs eh?!you?! how's the coolaid?
I said that for several reasons: he's been conspicuously quiet lately (at least in the media), he's not wearing much Syndicate clothes, Whitely is his manager at 23 Degrees Sports, and doesn't Whitely also own Trek World Racing? Granted Whitely represents many athletes on many different teams, but still...
I'd grab the master spreadsheet of mine, but my server blew up last night.After the Bromont WC you posted:
I'm simply going off of memory of what you've posted Stiks! If you were correct in the Bromont thread then they'd be tied at 11 for 3rd now.
Can't remember Hill's results from 04 but:
2005 wins
Schladming
Pila
2006 wins
Fort Bill
Schladming
2007 wins
Mont Sainte Anne
Schladming
Maribor
2008 wins
Maribor
Bromont
2009 wins
Mont Sainte Anne
Schladming
Makes it 11
2005 wins
Schladming
Pila
2006 wins
Fort Bill
Schladming
2007 wins
Mont Sainte Anne
Schladming
Maribor
2008 wins
Maribor
Bromont
2009 wins
Mont Sainte Anne
Schladming
Makes it 11
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Fastest World Cup racers (avg. speed trap)....
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- MINNAAR 55.287
- HANNAH 55.23325
- BLENKINSOP 55.2185
- GWIN 55.189375
- HILL 55.10025
- PEAT 54.87575
- GUARDIA 54.517875
- LEOV 54.498875
- BRYCELAND 54.444875
- NEETHLING 54.41675
- SMITH_Steve 54.126375
- VAZQUEZ 53.871125
- STROBEL 53.79875
- BUTTON 53.503375
- STANBRIDGE 53.457875
- BEER 53.43625
- RIFFLE 53.3285
- HART 53.059875
- SMITH_Joe 52.82925
- FAIRCLOUGH 52.71575
- DELFS 52.554875
- THIRION 52.23
- PASCAL 51.594625
- ATHERTON 50.874
it's 11. Schladming '05 was his 1st win
He must be getting close to Peaty on the all-time number of 2nd places as well
So how was yesterdays party in Schladming? Anybody? Dirt brigade seems wasted as there are no updates on site...Saturday after 4x was pretty good party in the disco at the finish area. Fully packed place. Even XC guys (Sauser) got crazy! 4x racer Slavik was "on form" dancing in racewear and SPD shoes. Good times!
Does anyone know if Nico's 16 wins were all won as a senior? If so that's 16 wins over 8 seasons. That is crazy! Although Hill definitely has the potential to equal that, 5 wins over the next 2 seasons, I'd say so.
Could be 5 wins in just next season alone from looking at the schedule! Thatd be insane.
As much as i'd love to see Hill smash a record like that, i'd give it 2 more years minimum. It's racing and as Val Del Sole tough us, it aint over until the last mans down
Where's the replay???
Hook it up Freecaster
Hook it up Freecaster
Ate sh*t up top in morning practice. too banged up to hold on at full speed
Well, had Peat (-211) won Maribor he'd have gained 157 pts over the 43 he got for 38. advantage SamSame goes for Minnaar at MSA, where he stood a good chance of the win, and Peaty at Maribor (though he wasn't particularly likely to win there).
But I'm Australian, so of course Hill deserved the win!
Give Minnaar (-120) 2nd at MSA (i'm calling that win for Hill) and he gains back 101. advantage Sam.
Either way you slice it up Hill comes out on top unless you give Minnaar the win at MSA or a 2nd in the final combined with a better than 5th quali, but if you want to take it that far you my as well just say Hill wins Andorra too and still gets the overall, or pull out the slog to the line at Canberra '08 and crown him champ 3 years in a row so what's the point?
Hill scored 100pts (50/50) in Andorra, Minnaar 59pts (0/59) in MSA, and Peat 73pts (30/43) in Maribor so no one gained enough from anyone's mistakes.
Hill wins. done
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I hate what-if's, that's why I whipped out my calculator.
conclusion: Hill still beat the what-if's without any what-if's of his own
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Word! Get it goin freezy
http://dirtmag.co.uk/news/category/videos/dirt-tv-schladming-world-cup-finals1/dirt-1235793.html
DIRT TV SCHLADMING WORLD CUP FINALS
DIRT TV SCHLADMING WORLD CUP FINALS
Just an FYI... Greg is no longer with 23 degrees/martin whitely"The end of the season is a time for reflection - what has been, what could have been, what will be in 2010! The pits are awash with rumors about who is going, staying, changing teams and Greg Minnaar features highly on peoples lips. -Gary Perkin" (quoted from: http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Schladming-2009-DH-Finals,224/Slideshow,1887/sspomer,2)
maybe not so much on drugs eh?!
I said that for several reasons: he's been conspicuously quiet lately (at least in the media), he's not wearing much Syndicate clothes, Whitely is his manager at 23 Degrees Sports, and doesn't Whitely also own Trek World Racing? Granted Whitely represents many athletes on many different teams, but still...
And for the armchair quarterbacks slagging on brendan.... He wrecked hard on his last practice run, smashed ribs and was all tapped up for finals... He said he was lucky to get 5th.
He did however destroy the track in practice it was pretty unreal to watch
By my count he has 11. This is from data from cyclingnews.com archives and UCI.ch site.
World Cup 2004:
Rd 1 Fort William - 3rd
Rd 2 Sestriere - 4th
Rd 3 - Schladming - 3rd
Rd 4 - Mont Ste Anne - 2nd
Rd 5 - Calgary - 38th
World Championships - Les Gets - 3rd
Rd 6 - Livigno - 6th
Series overall - 2nd
World Cup 2005:
Rd 1 Vigo - 3rd
Rd 2 Willingen - 5th
Rd 3 Schladming - 1st
Rd 4 Mont Ste Anne - injured
Rd 5 Brazil - injured
Rd 6 Pila - 1st
World Championships - Livigno - 2nd
Rd 7 Fort William - 7th
World Cup 2006:
Rd 1 Vigo - 6th
Rd 2 Fort William - 1st
Rd 3 Willingen - 14th
Rd 4 Mont Ste Anne - 3rd
Rd 5 Brazil - 12th
Norba National Series Overall 1st
World Championships - Rotorua - 1st
Rd 6 Schladming - 1st
World Cup Overall - 2nd
World Cup 2007:
Rd 1 Vigo - 5th
Rd 2 Champery - 3rd
Rd 3 Mont Ste Anne - 1st
Rd 4 Schladming - 1st
World Championships - Fort William - 1st
Rd 5 Maribor - 1st
World Cup Overall - 1st
World Cup 2008:
Rd 1 Maribor - 1st
Rd 2 Vallnord - 2nd
Rd 3 Fort William - 5th
World Championships - Val di Sole - 3rd
Rd 4 Mont Ste Anne - 2nd
Rd 5 Bromont - 1st
Rd 6 Canberra - 11th
Rd 7 Schladming - 2nd
World Cup Overall - 2nd
World Cup 2009:
Rd 1 Pietermaritzburg - 4th
Rd 2 La Bresse - 2nd
Rd 3 Vallnord - 31st
Rd 4 Fort William - 2nd
Rd 5 Maribor - 2nd
Rd 6 Mont Ste Anne - 1st
Rd 7 Bromont - 3rd
World Championships - Canberra - 5th
Rd 8 Schladming - 1st
World Cup Overall - 1st
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I'm sure Hill will surpass the record if he keeps up the pace if he stays in the sport!
he's still pretty young and he's racking up on average 2 wins a year...however peat isn't slowing down either.
I like the team name on the pdf results sheet for Hill and Fairclough....it doesn't say SPE or SPL or whatever the abbreviated name for Specialized is...it says MER.....so Merida won the World Cup??
MER = Monster Energy Racing
MER actually = "MONSTER ENERGY / SPECIALIZED / MAD CATZ" According to UCI, which is why I didn't put "Racing" in.
http://www.uci.ch/templates/UCI/UCI7/layout.asp?MenuId=MTUxNjQ&LangId=1
http://www.uci.ch/templates/UCI/UCI7/layout.asp?MenuId=MTUxNjQ&LangId=1
interesting... I went and had a look at their website before posting, and Greg was still on the list of athletes. Maybe they're milking Greg's name for all its worth, or maybe they just haven't gotten around to taking him off the list.
Either way, it'll be interesting to see where he ends up next year. if he moves at all.
Too bad about Brendan. It would be good to see him realize his full potential some day.
You either let us play with the mythical time space continuum of Pro DH or World of Warcraft. I choose DH.
Em, i'm pretty sure Martin is still involved with Greg, Martin was talking to some bike companys on Greg's behalf in Schladming. But Greg is also being managed by Mark Squire, he's a South African photographer, who is involved with lots of bike events in SA aswell as managing Jared Graves, Sam Willoughby and Sifiso Nhlapo. http://www.synergy-sport.com/
Not sure how it works really, Martin and Greg have been together since Greg's junior days. It's pretty much more then a rider manager relationship! haha Don't mean anything touchy by that.
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Wow...Barels site says he rode without rear brake, which was the reason for crashing. He still finished 16th! Awsome!
He'll do anything to save a few grams won't he?
he nailed his rear disc on a rock causing his rear brake to fail (a bent disc can rip the pads off), it's not like he lined up at the star without a rear brake.
i think (hope) he was being sarcastic