we need to see your papers
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What a stupid airline employee! I'd fire her for not being able to explain company policy...
"It is our company policy to require state or federal picture identification (such as a drivers' license) in order to verify this ticket is your property, as we wish to do our part to prevent identity theft. I cannot provide you with a legal basis for our company policy at this time, but if you would like some follow-up from a company representative I would be happy to arrange it. If this alters your plan for travel, I'm sorry, but it is company policy,and we do not change this particular rule regardless of who you claim yourself to be."
"It is our company policy to require state or federal picture identification (such as a drivers' license) in order to verify this ticket is your property, as we wish to do our part to prevent identity theft. I cannot provide you with a legal basis for our company policy at this time, but if you would like some follow-up from a company representative I would be happy to arrange it. If this alters your plan for travel, I'm sorry, but it is company policy,and we do not change this particular rule regardless of who you claim yourself to be."
If I'm worth 30 million dollars, there is no way in hell you'll find me on Southwest...
Damn right. I only fly it because I am a broke high school student.Silver said:
so was i (that quote was near the bottom of it). Curiously, this yet-to-be-disclosed law has only recently been "enforced", and most likely at the beckoning of the DHS, with assistance from the erstwhile AG. I'm not absolving ashcroft, just saying this can't be hung around his neck.mack said:
i'm all for policies like "extraordinary rendition", mostly because they have (in my opinion) merit for a certain climate. this nebulous - if existent - directive/law/mandate is flawed, but as this article has pointed out, difficult to specify the flaw.
speaking of the government needing to play its cards face-up:
judge orders release of padilla
...or just charge him with something.
sheesh
judge orders release of padilla
...or just charge him with something.
sheesh
You say the Gov needs to play it's cards face up, but you agree$tinkle said:
with 'extraordinary rendition'? (Otherwise known as 'sending random punters to be tortured by other nations for us - often with no evidence or charges being brought') How do you reconcile that? For that matter how the **** can you justify torture under any circumstances? Do you really think it helps? Have you read any history? If it wasn't for the CIA teaching Egypt how to torture people in the first place, there'd be no Osama. Don't you learn anything from past mistakes?
'Warehoused'? WTF is that? You didn't answer my question and you now seem happy that anyone the US happens to not like the look of may be treated in any which way you want, irrespective of any human rights whatsoever.$tinkle said:
If you are ignorant of your own country's fairly recent involvement in the middle east you really probably arn't the best person to make any type of judgements about this sort of thing are you?
Do you not understand that the US's treatment of others leads people to form an opinion of the US based on the quality of that treatment? Can you not see the plainly obvious fact that by acting in the ways you are condoning you are making the problem worse?
Maybe being thrifty is how the guy got to have $30 million.Silver said:
Nice Johnny cash photo, by the way.
So what you're saying is you're quite happy to live in a eye for an eye, tit-for-tat situation, constantly whining 'well they did it first', always willing to drop to the level of your 'evil enemy' in order to 'win'.$tinkle said:
Frankly that's pretty pathetic. Again with the history, do you not learn anything from the Palestinian/Israel situation?
I also find it highly hypocritical that in the abortion thread you call yourdelf a 'pro-lifer' yet are quite happy to utterly suppress the rights, mistreat or kill anyone who's not an American. You're not really a 'pro-lifer' at all. You're just a scared little xenophobe.
Thanks. As far as I know, I had it first on this siteHarryCallahan said:Maybe being thrifty is how the guy got to have $30 million.
Nice Johnny cash photo, by the way.
Still, there is a difference between being thrifty and being cheap. How many people get out of college, get a good job, and still eat ramen 14 times a week?
abosolutely incorrect reading, assessment, interpretation, whatever you care to call it. our responses shall not be symmetricChangleen said:
just when i thought you were out of topics on which to exhibit ignorance.Changleen said:
you probably see that conflict as a "cycle of violence", too.
time for you to do some reading, son:
http://middle-east-info.org/gateway.html
http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm#Modern History
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/index.html
you could at least look less foolish if you brought your case here by quoting me on these specifics.Changleen said:
oh wait...
[fyi: "scared xenophobe" is superfluous]
Ah, So you condone dropping your standards lower than your 'evil enemies'. Doesn't that make you the evil ones?$tinkle said:
Bwahahaha! Most of that stuff is further from reality than Fox. Are you serious that you think Israel vs. Palestine is not a cycle of violence? Ah well, I suppose that's not too much of a stretch for someone who condones torture.
Good article... makes a good point. Why do we have to show out ID's how does it protect anyone? Especially since the 9-11 guys all had valid ID's and papers. So why would the govm't be collecting info on everyone like that?
...& this is the part where you actually defend your claim, instead of flippantly dismissing the whole lot (citations, mistakes to claims, etc.). this is far more than just "we agree to disagree".Changleen said:Bwahahaha! Most of that stuff is further from reality than Fox. Are you serious that you think Israel vs. Palestine is not a cycle of violence? Ah well, I suppose that's not too much of a stretch for someone who condones torture.
now that you've made your position clear, can i expect you to back-track your way through the minotaur's maze of tiny passages in the twists of tiny passages...also known as "making your case"?
your debating skills are accidental at best & flameworthy at worst.
if there's a cycle of violence, then why is it since the "cease fire" was declared on feb 8th, there have been these cute little incidents:sitzpinkler said:
maybe after reading this you can tell me why palestinian terror is different.
the only hope to "break" this "cycle of violence" is being sought by sharon by possible committing political suicide by withdrawing from the settlements in the west bank & gaza. add to that the release of 500 thugs back to their terrorist training ....errrr...i mean refugee camps. you will have to imagine my expected surprise when this does not stop the "cycle of violence".
bookmark this post - make me wrong in the months to come.
$tinkle, both of your posts just go to show your utter lack of ability to percieve anything from beyond the Fox-imposed bounds of your xenophobic little mind. So far in this thread you've condoned torture of non-Americans without evidence or charge, and then said you feel the Government need to play it's cards face up. You could not explain your hypocracy, probably because you don't understand it. You continue to make reference to every Arab you mention in a derogatory way. It really is pointless discussing anything with you other than as an exercise to plumb the depths of hatred and shortsightedness that have been instilled in some Americans who are too ignorant to see the actions of their own Government for what they really are. As much as there has been a campaign to demonise Arabs in America, I am still suprised the voracity with which people like you are willing to hate and turn a blind eye to every abuse of human rights and basic decency your Government perpitrates under the banner of 'winning' the 'war on terror'.
citation, please (btw, padilla is an american citizen and was detained, not tortured)sitzpinkler said:
apparently, we both suffer from this "affliction". do explain with quotessitzpinkler said:
arrested, tried, convicted, & jailed persons as 'thugs' is derogatory?sitzpinkler said:
tell it to the wahhabistssitzpinkler said:
i do wish someone would find a cure or treatment for your congitive dissonance. i prime example is your [going nowhere!] thread on the chinese accussing us of human rights violations was laughable. "crime & poverty" as HRV?sitzpinkler said:
ink:
MY 'cognitive disonance'? Somehow, after reading an article whose main point is highlighted quite clearly in the first two paragraphs:$tinkle said:
you still manage to find the least relevant part and focus on it, whilst ignoring the crux of the issue. You use this tactic again and again to avoid actually talking about the issues other people raise. Well, maybe it's not 'cognitive disonance', maybe it's just ADD or good old fashioned stupidity.