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The git quite deliberately chose to NOT have a fire service.
As long as only property and no lives were in danger f*ck him.
No different to choosing not to have car insurance and then expecting the state to buy you a new car if you crash IMO.
As long as only property and no lives were in danger f*ck him.
No different to choosing not to have car insurance and then expecting the state to buy you a new car if you crash IMO.
Seems to me just if people want that sort of system make it like park rescue services in Canada - they pull you out in the emergency and you get the bill. There is no prepay since emergencies are not the norm (also note that uninsured emergency hospital care in the US is provided to all at high cost even for non-emergencies).
With the current scheme in Obion I don't think its unreasonable to pay on-demand with back fees or a penalty for not paying the normal payments. Make it like a magazine, if you don't subscribe it cost a lot more per issue. They could tack the money on your taxes or put a lein on your property in emergencies with non-subscribers who want per incident service.
Besides like the reason they responded his incident is not isolated and can affect others. Things like certain forms of car insurance are mandatory in certain states for this reason and its why its reasonable to have mandatory health insurance in the US. He's not asking for a new car he's just asking for an emergency response - something everyone should receive to a reasonable degree regardless of income.
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I call bull**** on your argument - this had nothing to due with income or social situation - its about an individual who was unwilling to pay his share of his communities fire protection cost.
It didn't note his income or social or say he failed to pay taxes. A portion of his local/state/federal/sales/etc taxes are distributed to his community. Its not his fault that his state/community is mismanaged to necessitate this VERY uncommon practice. Now that he's homeless and lost most of his possessions he'll be a much great burden than that $75 that HE OFFERED TO PAY.
Principle don't come cheap, you pays your money or you takes your chances. I own property in rural part of a county that does not provide (for any price) water, sewer, 911 or fire protection. Our homeowners association pays a fee to support the local volunteer fire department who's stated objective is to save lives first, property 2nd. I'm good with that and pay higher insurance rates for the privileged.
Nice story but he doesn't live there and the fire department came out anyways. It was a near-by city department that some of his taxes contribute toward from state, federal, sales taxes, etc that directly or indirectly fund and allow its operation. So its not a privilege if he owns and pays for a very small portion the fire department. If you think its a privilege than he deserves a refund of all his contributions to this city fire department since he opted out and was still forced to contribute via the other mandatory ways.
Yah, he agreed to pay it when his ****ing house was burning down. He didn't offer it when some other poor smucks house was burning down. I suppose this is more of a gigantic **** you to him for not supporting the fire services. Not that it is right by any means, but it is what it is
You reap what you sow but what kind of man stands around and watches another man's house burn when he has the means to do something about it?
An american who thinks he hasn't been paid.
Would you piss on N8 if he was on fire? I'm beginning to see the moral minefield these firefighters were up against......An american who thinks he hasn't been paid.
It's pretty simple: it should have been put out and he should have been slapped with a full cost rescue bill. Incentive to pay is maintained, house and any irreplaceable items like his limited edition signed Toby Keith patriot commemorative plates are saved.
*sniff sniff* Just goes to show the triumph of free market capitalism over government-sponsored socialism. I mean, if the $75 had been a mandatory tax then everyone would have been forced to pay, the fire dept would have been funded adequately (and the cost per residence might've actually been lower), and the guy's house would've been saved. Thankfully the citizens of Obion Cty chose freedom from oppression over gov't sponsored socialism. You know what they say, "From time to time the tree of liberty has to be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots, and fertilized with the ashes of mobile homes."
capitalism at work baby! drill baby drill! burn baby burn! 
To be honest, it's no different than the jackasses trying to throw money at the repo man when he's lifting your car. If you would have made the payment, they wouldn't be there taking your ride.
Had he paid the $75 he had all year to save up for, this would have been a non-issue. Ounce of prevention and all that?
Had he paid the $75 he had all year to save up for, this would have been a non-issue. Ounce of prevention and all that?
Plus reading the details of My Tax bill , how much of it goes to the Fire department makes $75 look like a deal!
plus I think this is an important piece of the story too
Werd.
Anyone who thinks what those firefighters did was ok is a heartless fvcker. How the hell do you do that to someone over $75?
Sorry but no mater how much they try to tell themselves otherwise what they did was wrong. For once stop living your life by the laws, rules and regulations and just be a human being.
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I think it is not paying a fee for the fire department, because everyone who pays income, property, registration, or sales tax pays for these services.
Plus reading the details of My Tax bill , how much of it goes to the Fire department makes $75 look like a deal!
plus I think this is an important piece of the story too
I think it is the idea that the selective application of public services is horrendous.
The well-off may think it is great if they can deny their monies to the lazy indigent. But when there are 20 foot walls surrounding neighborhoods and shantytowns everywhere, there you go.
Only if I could figure out a way to piss kerosene.
Not quite true. Fire (and local police) are usually paid for by municipal governments, which are primarily funded either through property taxes or local sales taxes in some cases. The mobile home in question was outside of town limits for the fire dept, so they weren't paying any taxes for that service. Instead at some point previously the town allowed them to "buy into" the fire dept service at $75/year (since they weren't paying property taxes to the town for said fire dept).
What annoys me is that if someone had come to this area and said that they would now all *have* to pay $75/year in taxes (and in turn receive fire dept benefits) you would've heard a huge outcry of NO MORE TAXES, WE'RE TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY, BLAH BLAH BLAH.... So instead the town makes it optional, and next thing you know someone's pissing and moaning that they didn't get services.
Actually, that about sums up the tea party right there.
I have zero sympathy. Mr. Cranick knew the deal ahead of time and made a conscious decision not to help support his socialist local emergency services. 75 bucks was the cheapest insurance he could have bought. Who is John Galt bitch?
I am curious, if you were in the fire department's galoshes, would you sit there and do nothing as duder's house goes up (because he didn't cough up his $75)? Or would you be a reasonable person and put out the fire and then send him a fat bill?
Also how much do they pay for training exercises at firefighting schools/seminars? Free practice with no penalty for poor performance. Seems like it might be worthwhile in a rural area of the country where there would be less calls.
I think your sarcasm detector is broken.
I'd have sent him the bill. My dad made a living putting out wild fires for the National Park Service. In circumstances where someone started a fire due to carelessness or by accident the fire was put out and the person responsible got a bill, sometimes in the millions of dollars. It is extremely callous for these guys to have watched and done nothing.
Their is a small part of me however that actually is unsympathetic. Can you imagine the outrage that would have resulted if the FD had tried to recoup its cost in court? Not paying the fee to help provide a basic community service that would otherwise be unavailable to protect yourself and your neighbors is also extremely callous. Shirking that responsibility shows a total lack of respect for all of his neighbors.
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I've been having problems with bad readings all week. Guess I need to get it calibrated, I already ordered the necessary chill pills.
It looks like it was only about $72 worth of crap in a trailer, so they are ahead at this point.
Water doesn't do good things on a grease fire. I'd try to stomp him out.
You overlooked the charred remains of the van Gogh over in the corner...
At least the hitch looks to be functional. Just hook the truck up and drive the whole mess away. Done and done.
So.......... Am I following this correctly? They went to mom's trailer to watch their own trailer burn?
No, he was in mom's trailer trying to save his case of 'Stones and you could see the trucks parked up the street waiting for the flames to die down first.
the fire department is socialist