The coder in me agrees completely, however... the reason I posted it is that the flash doesn't get in the way, so to speak... which is the problem with 99% of the flash that's out there.Transcend said:
Well Designed Web Sites
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jacksonpt said:
It seems that those who know computers really dispise overuse of flash but those who dont, really like it...Anyone notice that?
It gets in the way if you have flash off, or not installed and want to navigate his site... Basically I just abhore flash at all when it isn't used for working with content. ie: most car manufacturers sites where you can pimp your ride and the color, wheels, body kit changes = good flash. Animated text and images for the sake of animated text and images = bad flash.jacksonpt said:
I found this site the other day while researching places in Melbourne. I like it, nice and clean, very attractive.
http://thelyall.com/index.htm
The Ito
http://thelyall.com/index.htm
The Ito
Actually people who like it like it one time. They probably won't be back because the novelty of it has no lasting effect. That site they thought was neat did nothing to create a customer (you know - the ones that pay the bills - the whole reason for the site to begin with?). Can you imagine if a real business oriented site like Amazon had flash all over it?manhattanprjkt83 said:
It seems that those who know computers really dispise overuse of flash but those who dont, really like it...Anyone notice that?
If your goal is to make an artists statement, then by all means hire a designer and go friggen nuts. However, if you have a business to run and you need to show results, best not let the designer make all the decisions.
I hate websites that have flash intros and flash graphics when you navigate the website. I just want information and pictures when I search a consumer site. I don't need all that fancy crap flashing on the screen.
Then again, I'm no website engineer so what do I know... I'm just a consumer with lots of disposable income who spends a lot of it online.
Then again, I'm no website engineer so what do I know... I'm just a consumer with lots of disposable income who spends a lot of it online.
From a user standpoint, you couldn't be more right. Of course, it could use a little prettying up.Ridemonkey said:
I wasn't kidding...great design doesn't always mean great graphics...sometimes it means lack of.
That's one of the most successful sites on the web, and it wouldn't be if it was ladden with graphics and Flash, and other non-essentials.
That's one of the most successful sites on the web, and it wouldn't be if it was ladden with graphics and Flash, and other non-essentials.
BeerDemon said:
I totally agree with this statement, did anyone ever check out this artistic statement.
http://www.donniedarko.com/
wow. talk about complex, could you see the time and key event splits on this bad boy .
You are the target market, what a web designer thinks doesn't mean crap. What the end user thinks is all important.I Are Baboon said:
Fair enough.Transcend said:
I think that considering their business and their audience, flash is an acceptable tool.
I didn't actually pay attention to the content.jacksonpt said:
Sure, you could make it pretty, but I doubt it would make it any more successful.Transcend said:
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Appropriate use of Flash IMO. Art selling art. I love that movie BTW.manhattanprjkt83 said:I totally agree with this statement, did anyone ever check out this artistic statement.
http://www.donniedarko.com/
wow. talk about complex, could you see the time and key event splits on this bad boy .
No doubt, but my eyes wouldn't bleed.Ridemonkey said:
Yup, that site is pretty legendary. Art selling art doesn't always work though. Look at 90% of pro photographers websites. BARF.BeerDemon said:
Flash for the sake of flash - good luck actually navigating his images.
Hmm, some people say I'm just sh*t brained. :wonky2:stinkyboy said:
Flash is expensive to develop, expensive to maintain, bad for search engines, bad for accessibility, bad for usability...bad, bad, bad.
Flash should be used for what it was originally designed for, banners and animation. My philosophy with Flash is that if the site doesn't work, or is handicapped in any way when you remove the Flash elements, then you've used them wrong.
Flash should be used for what it was originally designed for, banners and animation. My philosophy with Flash is that if the site doesn't work, or is handicapped in any way when you remove the Flash elements, then you've used them wrong.
Read their best of - holy.crap.BeerDemon said:
I don't really consider that "art" in it's purest sense though. Photographers have an actual business to run with actual products and services. Art is just part of that scenario.Transcend said:
Re: your eyes bleeding from Craigslist. That's just the designer in you creeping out. Most people don't give a ****.
I have actually been using it recently just to get into it again (I have a few clients who WILL want it). Flash 8 and AS 2 aren't too bad for content anymore as they can pull data from outside sources (mysql/txt etc) finally.Ridemonkey said:
It is still lousy for every other reason you mentioned.
this is some of the best flash discussion I have heard in a while 
Very true on all counts. These guys who try to sell photos through flash sites astound me.BeerDemon said:
The designer in me weeps when he thinks of how simple it's be to add some color to craigs list. I like color.
Still not good though as the initial development cost is still twice what a HTML site would be. Inevitably the Flash technology that is used now will be made obsolete by changes in the Flash player, reducing the life span of the site and increasing the cost of maintenenace by quite a lot. We have several clients now with Flash sites that they can never change because Flash no longer exports the file types we created them in four years ago.Transcend said:
If I wanna spend 20k to get my VW restored and tricked out, I want some beautiful images, and not overdone movement, but some bling that's gonna give me a good feeling that VW Island is the place I wanna drop my cash. Craigslist is a place to buy a used computer or troll for lesbian porn.BeerDemon said:
I agree, flash is just a nightmare to work with overall and takes 10 times as long to do the same thing. I was just pointing out that it is getting better. Of all people, I'd be the last one to support flash!BeerDemon said:
Certainly. There are things that Flash can do that simply can't be done through other means, and I'm all for pushing boundaries. But again, that's using the right tool to accomplish a business goal, and that's the important part.
That being said, Javascript is making a nice little comeback these days, and is now accessible, and usable, and makes much of what wasn't possible in the past quite possible...and in a way better than Flash.
That being said, Javascript is making a nice little comeback these days, and is now accessible, and usable, and makes much of what wasn't possible in the past quite possible...and in a way better than Flash.
Javascript + css is frighteningly powerful.Ridemonkey said:
There are millions of people who use it for a lot more than that.stinkyboy said:
Photo gallery FULL of BIG pictures of their work (not the microscopic photos designers like to embed in a page so they can surround it with their clever design elements). Simple, effective, and exactly what the customers want to see. Flash sucks. Video is for porn.stinkyboy said:
