I find it interesting that the things you don't like about ShopComposition have nothing to do with the fact that it's a Flash driven site. Popup menus, tiny type, and terrible colors could certainly exsist in a simple HTML-based site as well.SkaredShtles said:I have to say - not bad. But those frikkin' popup menus with the tiny type and terrible colors make my eyes hurt.
Would've been better if they'd just stuck to something simple.ink:
We're trying to help you see the light. Your home page is the most valuable page on your site, and by doing a Flash intro you're basically requesting that search engines not find it.stinkyboy said:I'm just looking for an animated splash page. Did nobody but me get any over the weekend?
There is a difference between a "designer" and a "hack with Photoshop." I think you just nailed it.stinkyboy said:I absolutley agree. Wouldn't it be amazing if a designer understood his customers needs?
Wow, I think I just blew my mind!
Ahh. This is why I'm asking you guys. Under protest, I did a quick and crappy banner ad for him,Ridemonkey said:
Hey now, they ripped off that copy of Photoshop fair and square, and read a few tutorials. How dare you question their professionalism?!?Full Trucker said:
Give it time, I say. There was a time when HTML was fricken expensive to do right and maintain it over time, and now there are dozens of GOOD open source CMS solutions out there that allow a good designer/developer to implement a site, and then turn over the content management to the client. Flash will do the same thing, if it hasn't already.BeerDemon said:
So incorporate a few animations here and there, but whatever you do, don't make them an integral part of the site.stinkyboy said:Ahh. This is why I'm asking you guys. Under protest, I did a quick and crappy banner ad for him,
and now he loves the thought of cartoon VW's surfing his site. I don't wanna do web, but I want him to end up with a killer site that ain't template based.
Not to mention other technologies like AJAX coming into their own to do some really interesting and functional animation-type things.Ridemonkey said:
The main issue is that it's closed source. You can always bring dynamic data in, but if you ever want to change the business logic of the app you need to edit the Flash file. So, if the source file ever gets misplaced, or corrupted, or obselete due to version upgrades you're basically screwed.Full Trucker said:Give it time, I say. There was a time when HTML was fricken expensive to do right and maintain it over time, and now there are dozens of GOOD open source CMS solutions out there that allow a good designer/developer to implement a site, and then turn over the content management to the client. Flash will do the same thing, if it hasn't already.
*NOTE: I'm not a big fan of Flash either, just playing some Deviol's advocate to some of the arguments presented against Flash, since they all seem to be against Flash...
I was actually playing with a flash based CMS system yesterday. It was interesting. As well as awful.Full Trucker said:Give it time, I say. There was a time when HTML was fricken expensive to do right and maintain it over time, and now there are dozens of GOOD open source CMS solutions out there that allow a good designer/developer to implement a site, and then turn over the content management to the client. Flash will do the same thing, if it hasn't already.
*NOTE: I'm not a big fan of Flash either, just playing some Deviol's advocate to some of the arguments presented against Flash, since they all seem to be against Flash...
AJAX being Javascript of courseFull Trucker said:
No, it won't. Flash is a proprietary technology that relies on source files that are different than the files that are published to the web. The very nature of this technology will make it a pain in the ass forever.Full Trucker said:
On steroids.Ridemonkey said:AJAX being Javascript of course
Oh yeah? Well mySQL server can beat up your Apache any day!Ridemonkey said:
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Hey like I said, champ, I'm no huge fan of Flash either... just trying to pull anything out of my @ss I can to defend it for the sake of playing Devil's advocate...BeerDemon said:
True. Generally flash sites have to much moving and shaking going on for my taste. That one included. Here's another horrid site:Full Trucker said:
and taking a HUUUUGE chance that it gets done right. If it's done incorrectly, people won't even both to get into the content portion of your site.Ridemonkey said:
Clean site but that drop shadow needs some work because it looks like doody as it is now.Austin Bike said:
Youre absolutely right, I can't photoshop worth ****.justsomeguy said:
Definitely make it smaller and not so dark. You've got a nice simple design with this monster of a drop shadow right in the middle. Understated elements go a long way in good design.Transcend said:
stinkyboy said:
Tell him that Hollywood effects on a website should be reserved for porn sites.jacksonpt said:
I've always found it's easier to convince the client that option B is better, than to convince them that option A (their option) sucks.jacksonpt said:
You need to appeal to their sense of greed.jacksonpt said:
Good approach. It'd probably work better than telling him he's a dumbass.pixelninja said:
I don't think it does...............stinkyboy said:
