I could be totally wrong but from my interpratation here is what ive concluded. Today i went down to my shop and had my manager look up the availability of the demo8 pro with the fox and it says not until late feb. but the lesser low end d8 is available mid to late nov. as well as the other d8 frames. I can't think of any other reason for non availabilty since it doesn't really have any other special parts and unless fox sells to the public before OEM is ready which i high doubt it looks like all of us are gunna be waiting till then.. Remember I could be totally wrong but this is just what ive found out from the specialized site.....