well, pope had his last rights read to him
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Hes not well
If the afterlife is so great why postpone it for so long?
My thoughts on that question with regard to Ms. Schiavo.Mad Dog said:
Wow 
That's the 2nd time he's received last rites! I wish him the best...he's an amazing leader.
That's the 2nd time he's received last rites! I wish him the best...he's an amazing leader.
well, I'm gonna send this thread straight to hell, err, politcal forum.TreeSaw said:
he's a fvcktard leader. Anyone who says or allows his organization to say that condoms don't do anything against AIDS and sends that message into the most AIDS epidemic parts of Africa deserves a boot upside his head.
how anyone can send a message like that into the most desperate part of the world is beyond me. He and/or the church is directly responsible for many horrible AIDS related deaths.
Well AIDS IS a judgment from God against the gay people....LordOpie said:
**Snick** Bwahahaha...sorry I just couldn't keep a straight face there.
Mike
i'm going to be SO smited for suggesting this but here goes - anyone else get a flash of Weekend At Bernie's when they see the Pope propped up in a window??splat said:
Hey sis !
ACK! Nothing like staring at that mug first thing! Doh! :love:douglas said:
He has actually requested that life support not be administered.Mad Dog said:
Now, someone please move this thread to the correct forum.
The life support forum?Yossarian said:
It's another 'nearly dead thread'
LOL...........I must say that was funny.............bigginsis said:
Latest report that his replacement has been notified and will take over as soon as he kicks the bucket.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
I can always rely on Skook for the zingers
I can always rely on Skook for the zingers
Not being at all Catholical, what are the last rites? You have the rite to sh*t the bed uncontrollably, you have the rite to dribble your body weight each day??????? You have the rite for Mack/JMAC/the Montashu to take over your spelling faculties. What is it?
RITES, not RIGHTS, you dingaling.valve bouncer said:
Here's what they are:
As administered in the Western Church today according to the rite of the Roman Ritual, the sacrament consists (apart from certain non-essential prayers)of the unction with oil, specially blessed by the bishop, of the organs of the five external senses (eyes, ears, nostrils, lips, hands), of the feet, and, for men (where the custom exists and the condition of the patient permits of his being moved), of the loins or reins; and in the following form repeated at each unction with mention of the corresponding sense or faculty: "Through this holy unction and His own most tender mercy may the Lord pardon thee whatever sins or faults thou hast committed [quidquid deliquisti] by sight [by hearing, smell, taste, touch, walking, carnal delectation]". The unction of the loins is generally, if not universally, omitted in English-speaking countries, and it is of course everywhere forbidden in case of women. To perform this rite fully takes an appreciable time, but in cases of urgent necessity, when death is likely to occur before it can be completed, it is sufficient to employ a single unction (on the forehead, for instance) with the general form: "Through this holy unction may the Lord pardon thee whatever sins or faults thou hast committed." By the decree of 25 April, 1906, the Holy Office has expressly approved of this form for cases of urgent necessity.
Unction of the loins? You mean an oil lubricated handjob, right?
That's what those priests were doing...not molesting kids, just giving them last rites in case they got hit by a car on the way home!
That's what those priests were doing...not molesting kids, just giving them last rites in case they got hit by a car on the way home!
Is that rite?Mackie said:
Did somebody hit you in the head with a brick when you were young?mack said:
LordOpie said:
Once again...totally out of context.
The message was that abstainance is the only 100% effective way of preventing the spread of AIDS. The Church was asked to support a "sex education" program that would distrbute condoms and teach "safe sex" practices in Africa. But the program did not espouse abstainance & monogamy as the best means of prevention (inarguable facts). Since the program would not make these additions the Chruch declined to support it.
Skookum said:
No kidding.
My goodness, that is terrible.
It's ignorant statements like the one Chang quotes that make me think the idea of the unmarried priests are increasingly becoming irrelevant and out of touch with how things are done in the year 2005 verses the year 1300.
Not to mention it was/is men (unmarried monks mind you) who came up with the idea that Mary was a virgin after she had Jesus............
Not to mention it was/is men (unmarried monks mind you) who came up with the idea that Mary was a virgin after she had Jesus............
Two sides to every story...
Church in Africa continues AIDS fight without condoms
Catholic leaders in Africa have pledged to step up their involvement in the fight against the AIDS pandemic, while continuing to reject the use of condoms to fight the disease.
"The church says one must be faithful in marriage and save oneself for marriage," said Senegal Bishop Alexandre Mbengue. "We cannot cave in to the current trend."
According to the UN agency UNAIDS sub-Saharan Africa is hardest hit by AIDS, being home to more than two-thirds of those infected with HIV worldwide - 29.4 million out of 42 million.
Congo's Kinshasa Archbishop Dominique Bulamatari said: "Using condoms as a means of preventing AIDS can only lead to sexual promiscuity."
However Nigeria's AIDS Alliance head Farouk Mohammed claims he has observed a softening of the church's position in the fight against AIDS.
"Excluding condom use, to which the church is still opposed, it is involved now in building awareness in and mobilising its members," he said.
A few minority voices among African church leaders condone condom use and urge Africa's Catholics to change their way of thinking to bring it more into line with the times.
"The condom is a stopgap, a lesser evil, but not the solution," said the bishop of Port Louis, Mauritius, Maurice Piat.
"The church's preachings are not about condoms, but about the urgency of fighting AIDS," he added, urging that the battle against the killer disease be waged "not with rubber, but with human resources."
SOURCE
AFP/A>
Pope urges AIDS programs that respect church teaching
Pope John Paul II has encouraged Uganda's bishops to undertake initiatives for AIDS care and prevention that are in harmony with Church teaching.
The Holy Father made his appeal when he met with the bishops on their five-yearly visit to the Holy See.
He applauded the health, education and development efforts of the Ugandan Church which "show clearly the Church's commitment to the integral well-being of her sons and daughters and of all Ugandans regardless of religious creed".
He singled out the HIV/AIDS initiatives that, "in complete harmony with the Church's teaching, seek to assist those affected by this disease and to keep the public duly informed about it".
Meanwhile Cardinal Claudio Hummes of Sao Paolo, Brazil, representing the Vatican at a special UN plenary session, urged more international cooperation in the fight against the spread of AIDS. He especially called attention to the needs of children who have contracted AIDS.
"AIDS has become one of the great tragedies of our era," said Cardinal Hummes. "It is not only a health problem of the greatest magnitude, but also a social, economic, and political problem."
SOURCE
Zenit
The drama of AIDS threatens not just some nations or societies, but the whole of humanity."
- Pope John Paul II, Visit to Tanzania, 1990
HIV/AIDS has reached pandemic proportions in Africa, especially sub-Saharan Africa. The effects of the disease have rippled through all segments of African society and all sectors of the economy. The labor force is dying. Health care systems are overwhelmed. Governments lack the resources to adequately respond. Agricultural production is down dramatically because AIDS patients cannot tend to their fields. Men and women suffering from the disease cannot pay for medical treatment because they cannot work to earn enough money to pay for health care, food, clothing or shelter.
Catholic Relief Services is working to alleviate the effects of HIV/AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa in partnership with the local Church and local partners while always upholding its commitment to the teachings of the Catholic Church.
CRS and HIV/AIDS Programming in Africa
CRS' primary HIV/AIDS relief work includes
Providing home health care, counseling testing and support such as food and school fees to orphans and children.
Educating communities on behavior changes and acquiring new life skills.
Offering income-generating activities and livelihood support.
Click here for more information about our HIV/AIDS programming.
Africa Campaign and HIV/AIDS
Our advocacy goals to fight HIV/AIDS in Africa include:
Ensure the president's commitment is upheld to provide $15 billion over five years to prevent and treat HIV/AIDS.
Ensure sub-Saharan Africa receives at least $1 billion more per year to fight HIV/AIDS.
Promote U.S. policies that deepen debt relief for the poorest countries in Africa.
Africa and HIV/AIDS
Only 10 percent of the world's population lives in sub-Saharan Africa but it is home to 70 percent of the world's HIV positive people.
26.6 million people live in sub-Saharan Africa with HIV/AIDS. Of that number 2.1 million are children.
AIDS is the number one cause of death in Africa: in 2003, 2.3 million people there died from this disease, including some 500,000 children.
Over 12 million African children have been orphaned because of AIDS, and 40 million orphans are projected by 2010.
Source: UNAIDS, AIDS Epidemic Update 2003
Church in Africa continues AIDS fight without condoms
Catholic leaders in Africa have pledged to step up their involvement in the fight against the AIDS pandemic, while continuing to reject the use of condoms to fight the disease.
"The church says one must be faithful in marriage and save oneself for marriage," said Senegal Bishop Alexandre Mbengue. "We cannot cave in to the current trend."
According to the UN agency UNAIDS sub-Saharan Africa is hardest hit by AIDS, being home to more than two-thirds of those infected with HIV worldwide - 29.4 million out of 42 million.
Congo's Kinshasa Archbishop Dominique Bulamatari said: "Using condoms as a means of preventing AIDS can only lead to sexual promiscuity."
However Nigeria's AIDS Alliance head Farouk Mohammed claims he has observed a softening of the church's position in the fight against AIDS.
"Excluding condom use, to which the church is still opposed, it is involved now in building awareness in and mobilising its members," he said.
A few minority voices among African church leaders condone condom use and urge Africa's Catholics to change their way of thinking to bring it more into line with the times.
"The condom is a stopgap, a lesser evil, but not the solution," said the bishop of Port Louis, Mauritius, Maurice Piat.
"The church's preachings are not about condoms, but about the urgency of fighting AIDS," he added, urging that the battle against the killer disease be waged "not with rubber, but with human resources."
SOURCE
AFP/A>
Pope urges AIDS programs that respect church teaching
Pope John Paul II has encouraged Uganda's bishops to undertake initiatives for AIDS care and prevention that are in harmony with Church teaching.
The Holy Father made his appeal when he met with the bishops on their five-yearly visit to the Holy See.
He applauded the health, education and development efforts of the Ugandan Church which "show clearly the Church's commitment to the integral well-being of her sons and daughters and of all Ugandans regardless of religious creed".
He singled out the HIV/AIDS initiatives that, "in complete harmony with the Church's teaching, seek to assist those affected by this disease and to keep the public duly informed about it".
Meanwhile Cardinal Claudio Hummes of Sao Paolo, Brazil, representing the Vatican at a special UN plenary session, urged more international cooperation in the fight against the spread of AIDS. He especially called attention to the needs of children who have contracted AIDS.
"AIDS has become one of the great tragedies of our era," said Cardinal Hummes. "It is not only a health problem of the greatest magnitude, but also a social, economic, and political problem."
SOURCE
Zenit
The drama of AIDS threatens not just some nations or societies, but the whole of humanity."
- Pope John Paul II, Visit to Tanzania, 1990
HIV/AIDS has reached pandemic proportions in Africa, especially sub-Saharan Africa. The effects of the disease have rippled through all segments of African society and all sectors of the economy. The labor force is dying. Health care systems are overwhelmed. Governments lack the resources to adequately respond. Agricultural production is down dramatically because AIDS patients cannot tend to their fields. Men and women suffering from the disease cannot pay for medical treatment because they cannot work to earn enough money to pay for health care, food, clothing or shelter.
Catholic Relief Services is working to alleviate the effects of HIV/AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa in partnership with the local Church and local partners while always upholding its commitment to the teachings of the Catholic Church.
CRS and HIV/AIDS Programming in Africa
CRS' primary HIV/AIDS relief work includes
Providing home health care, counseling testing and support such as food and school fees to orphans and children.
Educating communities on behavior changes and acquiring new life skills.
Offering income-generating activities and livelihood support.
Click here for more information about our HIV/AIDS programming.
Africa Campaign and HIV/AIDS
Our advocacy goals to fight HIV/AIDS in Africa include:
Ensure the president's commitment is upheld to provide $15 billion over five years to prevent and treat HIV/AIDS.
Ensure sub-Saharan Africa receives at least $1 billion more per year to fight HIV/AIDS.
Promote U.S. policies that deepen debt relief for the poorest countries in Africa.
Africa and HIV/AIDS
Only 10 percent of the world's population lives in sub-Saharan Africa but it is home to 70 percent of the world's HIV positive people.
26.6 million people live in sub-Saharan Africa with HIV/AIDS. Of that number 2.1 million are children.
AIDS is the number one cause of death in Africa: in 2003, 2.3 million people there died from this disease, including some 500,000 children.
Over 12 million African children have been orphaned because of AIDS, and 40 million orphans are projected by 2010.
Source: UNAIDS, AIDS Epidemic Update 2003
DT, question (note this is for discussion, not a "gun fight"):
Which do you think is more important, saving lives or preventing sexual immorality?
For me I look at the stories of Jesus healing on the Sabbath (which may or may not have been prohibited depending on on how progressive or traditional you were) - for Jesus healing that dude was more important and upheld the spirit of Torah more than observing Sabbath regulations. I also look at the story of the chick caught in adultery, the religious leaders wanted to stone her. So why did Jesus intervene? To save her life? Did He call her out on her sexual immorality?
Anyway, those are just some things that have been bouncing around my head on this, what do you think?
Which do you think is more important, saving lives or preventing sexual immorality?
For me I look at the stories of Jesus healing on the Sabbath (which may or may not have been prohibited depending on on how progressive or traditional you were) - for Jesus healing that dude was more important and upheld the spirit of Torah more than observing Sabbath regulations. I also look at the story of the chick caught in adultery, the religious leaders wanted to stone her. So why did Jesus intervene? To save her life? Did He call her out on her sexual immorality?
Anyway, those are just some things that have been bouncing around my head on this, what do you think?
Condoms do not necessarily infer infidelity. They also help with population control.
While I agree, the Catholic churches argument is that if one were to distribute condoms in Africa one would be giving a "green light" for everyone to sleep around.fluff said:
That assumes that one only ever has sex with one's spouse if one wants a baby. That is so stoopid it's almost incredible.Andyman_1970 said:
Not only is it stoopid, it's also incredibly unBiblical - as there's a whole book of the Bible devoted to erotic love and not for reproduction's sake.fluff said:
wait i thought a lot of the problems in africa that are aids related are not so much sleeping around as it is the prevalence of rape and prostitution that is happening?also causing lots of child prostitution and child rape because the younger they are the less chance they are infected.
Then I am surprised that the Pope has not recommended killing all the kids so that they cannot be raped.biggins said: