[leprechaun]

so here's the e mail i got today, not to try to spread rumors here are the facts relayed to me from my inside guy:

Here’s the latest update on the Dorado MRD X-Works. We have officially canceled this model for 2005. We will only offer the Dorado 180 DH for 2005. We will contact all dealers that have this fork on backorder, to let them know, and try to convert to the DH model. The DH is due mid November.

I'm assuming they mean 180 TPC+.
Which,as some of you may know,i don't care much for SPV type forks(and shocks) so to me i feel the 180 TPC could really be a good fork-big legs/crowns and plush feel.

Man i can just feel a tidal wave coming in the form of Foxy forks coming...

I don't want to sound negative about Manitou since i do own one,among others.Just spreading the info.

 

[vitox]

customer r&d at its finest.

 

[UiUiUiUi]

customer r&d at its finest.

don't i know it!

 

[Trailhead]

Which,as some of you may know,i don't care much for SPV type forks(and shocks) so to me i feel the 180 TPC could really be a good fork-big legs/crowns and plush feel.

Just curious, do you not favor any type of stable platform setup, regardless of brand, or just SPV (Manitou's version) itself? I don't have enough experience to create an informed opinion, but I would think you'd have to give up some activeness of the shock in order to have the anti-bob characteristics, a trade off I personally wouldn't want to make. I would think that in most DH and freeride applications, pedaling efficiency isn't a priority, (though I know none of us want to ride a two-wheeled pogo stick), smoothing out the ride with a nice active shock is. Then again, maybe there's a reason why these new-generation shocks are so popular.

Somebody help me out here, I'm getting tired of talking out my ass.

 

[Jm_]

Just curious, do you not favor any type of stable platform setup, regardless of brand, or just SPV (Manitou's version) itself? I don't have enough experience to create an informed opinion, but I would think you'd have to give up some activeness of the shock in order to have the anti-bob characteristics, a trade off I personally wouldn't want to make. I would think that in most DH and freeride applications, pedaling efficiency isn't a priority, (though I know none of us want to ride a two-wheeled pogo stick), smoothing out the ride with a nice active shock is. Then again, maybe there's a reason why these new-generation shocks are so popular.

Somebody help me out here, I'm getting tired of talking out my ass.

Well, you are essentially saying that you can't get something for nothing, and I agree. SPV ignores inputs below the threshold. Low speed compression dampens stuff below a blowoff, but doesn't "ignore" them. There will always be tradeoffs though.

 

[Repack]

I own a 5e and have come to the conclusion that SPV's biggest benefit comes from the adjustable air chamber and overall slightly slower damping. I just like a good, progressive spring rate. Good progression does a lot to cover up excess pedal bob. Just one riders opinion. The very little time I have on an MRD X-Works didn't do much to impress me. I agree with whoever it was who said that you give up too much compliance for better pedaling.

 

[leprechaun]

Ya see when my monsterous crushing 125 lb body plows through the rough stuff,or mildly rough chattery stuff my bike tends to slow down a lot.A super supple shock and fork really helps me maintain momentum!
Also i am super picky,grew up racing moto,and have ridden fs mtn bikes for 9 years now.
No doubt you have a tradeoff between plushness and pedaling efficiency.Low pivot bikes really need platform valving so they don't feel so sluggish.I have evolved to riding a higher pivot bike (yeti ASX) with a soft feeling shock to get a balance of pedaling snap from the mild chain torque and plushness of a lightly valved shock. :love:
True i don't care for most platform brands.My DHX is just plush enough at lower pressure.The Push feels better but has less bottoming control.So now i'm going to let Darren lighten up the valving on the DHX,or i will try to get him to get me a bigger bottom bumper for the Pushed RC to get the bottoming control on that shock.Life's a bitch!

 

[freeridebiker21]

on answerproducts.com they have the X-works dorado for 05 ????don't they????

 

[leprechaun]

I's on the site,on Cedrics bike at the show and in the catalogue,but the e mail i got just today says otherwise.
:nuts:

 

[thaflyinfatman]

I reckon the TPC+ Dorito is possibly the best tasting fork I've ever ridden. I much prefer TPC+ to SPV.

 

[Sherpa]

I's on the site,on Cedrics bike at the show and in the catalogue,but the e mail i got just today says otherwise.
:nuts:

Is there going to be TPC+ in the MRD X-Works body?

 

[leprechaun]

Well,yes.
all the Dorados are using the 32 mm legs and big crowns.So they look the same,just 180mm travel not 200.And no shrader cap associated w/SPV etc etc.

 

[Sherpa]

Well,yes.
all the Dorados are using the 32 mm legs and big crowns.So they look the same,just 180mm travel not 200.And no shrader cap associated w/SPV etc etc.

But with 200mm of travel?

 

[leprechaun]

Uhh did you see where i wrote 180 not 200?
That means 180 not 200,just in case you're still confused

 

[Sherpa]

Uhh did you see where i wrote 180 not 200?
That means 180 not 200,just in case you're still confused

Phuck Manitou. My money goes elsewhere...

 

[dw]

Well, you are essentially saying that you can't get something for nothing, and I agree. SPV ignores inputs below the threshold. Low speed compression dampens stuff below a blowoff, but doesn't "ignore" them. There will always be tradeoffs though.

Thats not entirely true. With SPV, there is still SOME blowoff past the SPV piston. The damper can still react to low speed input, but its reaction is limited. The SPV shock will blow off at higher shaft speeds in reaction to shaft speed increase with more pressure, and will blow off at lower speeds with lower pressure. SPV is not a lockout with a blowoff. End result, basically if compression damping is increased on SPV or a 4-way they can both have some low speed bump tracking, and they can both "blow off" using different systems that can achieve different blowoff characteristics using tuning.

dw

 

[binary visions]

Phuck Manitou. My money goes elsewhere...

So it was really that important to get those details straight, just so that you can say "phuck Manitou"?


This is interesting, I wonder why they aren't offering the SPV as an option? I understand that they've been having some problems, but they've still committed their Sherman series to SPV, and I've heard a few reports of the new Evolve carts working pretty well.