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MikeD

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Thank God for the bombing of London's subway today - July 7, 2005 - wherein dozens were killed and hundreds seriously injured. Wish it was many more.

"But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the Lord their God, nor receiveth correction; truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth." Jer. 7:28.

England: Island of the Sodomite Damned

Tony Blair and his Bitch Barrister Wife [pics]

These two have let England to irreversible doom, pushing the fag agenda. It is now a crime to preach God's truth about fags in England. Blair wants to be president (Antichrist) of EU (European Union), whose laws also criminalize Gospel preaching.


I SOOOO wish I could cut and paste this, too, but it's a .pdf...

http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/jul2005/20050705_walton-in-hell.pdf

The Onion couldn't come up with stuff this good.

MD

Edit: You've GOT to love these people's logic. Boils down to: "hmm, people I don't like were killed...[I've decided] it's God's wrath and I understand it completely and my worldview is strengthened by it!! Oh, wait, people I like were killed! Ummm...it's God's will; I suddenly don't understand why they died, butit must be his will to have their souls in heaven! (or, possibly, it was the work if Satan, who is thwarted in the end because they're in a happy eternity now instead of this devil-wracked world!!)"

It's the ultimate in smugness... I claim to understand things perfectly when I want to, and I give myself over to blind acceptance when I can't explain them. Sort of destroys the "mystery" (in a big sense) of God...accepting the world as God's will is comprehensible, but the jumping between revelling in death and destruction and then calmly accepting it seems a bit off. I could understand if they honestly thought it was a case of Sodom and Gommorah, and prayed for the souls of the dead regardless, but is it *people's* jobs to spread God's wrath? He apparently does a pretty good job of that on his own... I know, in a perverse way, they consider themselves Christian "tough love," and that they're just trying to show the "fags" the error of their ways and their eternal conequences...

OK, enough wasting my time on these guys. Sorry.
 

reflux

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MikeD said:
Thank God for the bombing of London's subway today - July 7, 2005 - wherein dozens were killed and hundreds seriously injured. Wish it was many more.
Uhh...so much more for loving your fellow man and woman. :think:
 

MikeD

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reflux said:
Uhh...so much more for loving your fellow man and woman. :think:
In my long edit, I sort of talked about that...lemme find you the bit from their site about that... (From the FAQ)

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Why do you preach hate?

Because the Bible preaches hate. For every one verse about God's mercy, love, compassion, etc., there are two verses about His vengeance, hatred, wrath, etc. The maudlin, kissy-pooh, feel-good, touchy-feely preachers of today's society are damning this nation and this world to hell. They are telling you what you want to hear rather than what you need to hear, just like what happened in the days of Isaiah and Jeremiah: "That this [is] a rebellious people, lying children, children [that] will not hear the law of the LORD: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us." Isaiah 30:9-11; "Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart." Jeremiah 14:14; "They have healed also the hurt [of the daughter] of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when [there is] no peace. Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time [that] I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD." Jeremiah 6:14-15. And also in the New Testament we are warned: "For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. One of themselves, [even] a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians [are] alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith." Titus 1:11-13; "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of." II Peter 2:1,2. What you need to hear is that God hates people, and that your chances of going to heaven are nonexistent, unless you repent. What you need to hear is a little fire and brimstone preaching, like Jesus preached. What you don't need to hear is that you're okay just the way you are, and God accepts everyone without exception. Don't listen to the money-grubbing heretic who stands at the front of your church. Listen to God. If you are one of His elect, you'll hear.

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Doesn't the Bible say that God loves everyone?

No. You are probably thinking of John 3:16, which says no such thing. The word translated "world" in that verse (kosmos) NEVER means every individual of mankind who has ever lived (see, e.g., John 17:9). Romans 9:13 says that God hated Esau, and Psalm 5:5 says that God hates all WORKERS of iniquity (e.g., fags). Other examples are Proverbs 6:16-19, Psalm 11:5, and Malachi 1:3. Given these verses, how can you say God loves everyone? Can you really say "God loves everyone" when God says "I hated Esau?" Does God love the people in hell?

Or, you are thinking of "God is love." God certainly is love, toward His elect (His children). But He certainly is not love toward the reprobate (children of the devil). That's why His elect go to heaven, and the reprobate go to hell. In Romans 9:13, which says "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated", Jacob is a representative of God's elect, while Esau is a representative of the reprobate. In Romans 1, the word "reprobate" is used to describe fags. Fags are reprobate. God hates reprobates. Therefore, God hates fags.

Furthermore, God specifically says that He ABHORS people who engage in sodomy (as well as other forms of sexual perversion): "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them...And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them." Leviticus 20:13,23. Understand? GOD ABHORS FAGS.

God's hatred is one of His holy attributes, whereby He reveals Himself as having a fixed and immutable determination to punish the finally impenitent with eternal perdition. God's hatred is not like man's hatred. His hatred is holy, pure, unchanging, while man's hatred is a sinful, fickle emotion.
 

Andyman_1970

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MikeD said:
Cut and pasted:

Thank God for the bombing of London's subway today - July 7, 2005 - wherein dozens were killed and hundreds seriously injured. Wish it was many more.

"But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the Lord their God, nor receiveth correction; truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth." Jer. 7:28.

England: Island of the Sodomite Damned

Tony Blair and his Bitch Barrister Wife [pics]

These two have let England to irreversible doom, pushing the fag agenda. It is now a crime to preach God's truth about fags in England. Blair wants to be president (Antichrist) of EU (European Union), whose laws also criminalize Gospel preaching.


I SOOOO wish I could cut and paste this, too, but it's a .pdf...

http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/jul2005/20050705_walton-in-hell.pdf

The Onion couldn't come up with stuff this good.

MD

Edit: You've GOT to love these people's logic. Boils down to: "hmm, people I don't like were killed...[I've decided] it's God's wrath and I understand it completely and my worldview is strengthened by it!! Oh, wait, people I like were killed! Ummm...it's God's will; I suddenly don't understand why they died, butit must be his will to have their souls in heaven! (or, possibly, it was the work if Satan, who is thwarted in the end because they're in a happy eternity now instead of this devil-wracked world!!)"

It's the ultimate in smugness... I claim to understand things perfectly when I want to, and I give myself over to blind acceptance when I can't explain them. Sort of destroys the "mystery" (in a big sense) of God...accepting the world as God's will is comprehensible, but the jumping between revelling in death and destruction and then calmly accepting it seems a bit off. I could understand if they honestly thought it was a case of Sodom and Gommorah, and prayed for the souls of the dead regardless, but is it *people's* jobs to spread God's wrath? He apparently does a pretty good job of that on his own... I know, in a perverse way, they consider themselves Christian "tough love," and that they're just trying to show the "fags" the error of their ways and their eternal conequences...

OK, enough wasting my time on these guys. Sorry.
Is that site for real or is it a spoof site? I pray it's a spoof site.............
 

MikeD

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Andyman_1970 said:
Is that site for real or is it a spoof site? I pray it's a spoof site.............
Oh, no way, man...they're the real deal. They were picketing churches down the road in La Jolla, CA the other week. "Thank God for 9/11" and "You fags are going to hell" signs all over. Must've been a nice road trip from Kansas...see the heathen California coast with all its damned...
 

Andyman_1970

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MikeD said:
Doesn't the Bible say that God loves everyone?

No. You are probably thinking of John 3:16, which says no such thing. The word translated "world" in that verse (kosmos) NEVER means every individual of mankind who has ever lived (see, e.g., John 17:9). Romans 9:13 says that God hated Esau, and Psalm 5:5 says that God hates all WORKERS of iniquity (e.g., fags). Other examples are Proverbs 6:16-19, Psalm 11:5, and Malachi 1:3. Given these verses, how can you say God loves everyone? Can you really say "God loves everyone" when God says "I hated Esau?" Does God love the people in hell?

Or, you are thinking of "God is love." God certainly is love, toward His elect (His children). But He certainly is not love toward the reprobate (children of the devil). That's why His elect go to heaven, and the reprobate go to hell. In Romans 9:13, which says "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated", Jacob is a representative of God's elect, while Esau is a representative of the reprobate. In Romans 1, the word "reprobate" is used to describe fags. Fags are reprobate. God hates reprobates. Therefore, God hates fags.

Furthermore, God specifically says that He ABHORS people who engage in sodomy (as well as other forms of sexual perversion): "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them...And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them." Leviticus 20:13,23. Understand? GOD ABHORS FAGS.

God's hatred is one of His holy attributes, whereby He reveals Himself as having a fixed and immutable determination to punish the finally impenitent with eternal perdition. God's hatred is not like man's hatred. His hatred is holy, pure, unchanging, while man's hatred is a sinful, fickle emotion.
So I guess the whole passage in 1 John 4 where John says that if you don't love those around you and yet claim to love God you're a liar.......... :mumble:

This is a "wonderful" example of Calvinism run amuck...........no one mentions Calvin and Luther were raving anti-Semites, I guess they forgot their Messiah was a Jew......... :mumble:
 

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MikeD said:
Oh, no way, man...they're the real deal. They were picketing churches down the road in La Jolla, CA the other week. "Thank God for 9/11" and "You fags are going to hell" signs all over. Must've been a nice road trip from Kansas...see the heathen California coast with all its damned...
This makes me physically sick..............

On behalf of those of us who truly desire to follow Jesus and live out His teachings I apologize for this church and what they teach - it is not a true representation of Jesus or what He desires His followers to be.
 

MikeD

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Andyman_1970 said:
This makes me physically sick..............

On behalf of those of us who truly desire to follow Jesus and live out His teachings I apologize for this church and what they teach - it is not a true representation of Jesus or what He desires His followers to be.
They don't talk much about Jesus, really, do they? Mostly seem to be old-testamenty kinds of people.
 

MikeD

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Andyman_1970 said:
So I guess the whole passage in 1 John 4 where John says that if you don't love those around you and yet claim to love God you're a liar.......... :mumble:
Oh, but they do love those around them...those "elect" around them. God's real children and all....not the FAGS!!!
 

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MikeD said:
They don't talk much about Jesus, really, do they? Mostly seem to be old-testamenty kinds of people.
Even the Torah doesn't advocate hate like this, or hate period for that matter - that whole "love your neighbor as yourself" is from Leviticus. One of Judaism's most briliant rabbi's (r. Hillel) said that "the whole Torah hangs on this commandment", with which Jesus marries that to "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind" as the two most important commandments. Maybe their version of the KJV leaves these verses out.........LOL

I can't read their site (thankfully), so I really don't know what they talk about, but from the FAQ's you posted, what little they do mention Jesus is totally out of context.
 

Andyman_1970

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MikeD said:
Oh, but they do love those around them...those "elect" around them. God's real children and all....not the FAGS!!!
Well the problem with that verse, is the word "brother", as in those who hate their brother, is the Greek word adelphos, which can mean someone of like faith, neighbor, or country man - so it's not just limited to those who are Christians as to who we are commanded to love.

Do they realize that Gentiles are not the "elect"?
 

MikeD

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Andyman_1970 said:
Well the problem with that verse, is the word "brother", as in those who hate their brother, is the Greek word adelphos, which can mean someone of like faith, neighbor, or country man - so it's not just limited to those who are Christians as to who we are commanded to love.

Do they realize that Gentiles are not the "elect"?
I suggest you email them with your scriptural concerns...
 

Andyman_1970

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MikeD said:
I suggest you email them with your scriptural concerns...
Yeah like they'd listen to me :rolleyes:

I'd probably just get labeled a "fag lover" (which BTW is fine with me) and accused of teaching a false Gospel or something - which would put me in good company, I remember this rabbi from the 1st century who was executed for His accused "false" teachings............
 

MikeD

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Andyman_1970 said:
I remember this rabbi from the 1st century who was executed for His accused "false" teachings............
"Westboro Baptist-Executing your Faggot Messiah since 1 AD!!!"

(Ed: Wait, does AD begin when Christ was born, or when he died?)
 

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DRB said:
Wouldn't you love to see them spouting off to a crowd and then have Andyman appear? I bet it would take 2 exchanges before they resorted to fag loving jew.
'resorted to?' That's kind of their first (and last) line of defense..
 

Andyman_1970

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DRB said:
Wouldn't you love to see them spouting off to a crowd and then have Andyman appear? I bet it would take 2 exchanges before they resorted to fag loving jew.
As a Gentile, I take that as the utmost of compliments................LOL

I think sometimes how cool it would be to go "toe to toe" with folks like this - then I realize what good would it do and I could be doing more for Jesus if I went out and fed hungry people and clothed naked people rather than trying to prove these folks wrong.

Once again I offer me deepest apologies on behalf of those of us who are serious about following Jesus with regards to Mr. Phelps and his ilk - please don't paint all Christians with that same brush.
 

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Changleen said:
AD = After Death? That's what I was always taught.
You're not serious...?

Anno Domini, "In the year of our Lord."
 

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MikeD said:
Oh, no way, man...they're the real deal. They were picketing churches down the road in La Jolla, CA the other week. "Thank God for 9/11" and "You fags are going to hell" signs all over. Must've been a nice road trip from Kansas...see the heathen California coast with all its damned...
They're actually pretty funny, and its especially satisfying since they're doing MORE harm than good to their cause. :nuts:
 

MikeD

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dante said:
They're actually pretty funny, and its especially satisfying since they're doing MORE harm than good to their cause. :nuts:
Nah, I'm confident that they're not really trying to recruit for or promote their cause...they seem happier to become a smaller and smugger and angrier group of the exclusive "God's Elect" in this disgusting world, hoping for the end of the world and their "deliverance" so they can look down on everyone else even more. (In their minds, quite literally "look down" from heaven on the [preacher] boiling brimstone lake...[/preacher])

They'll be having a velvet rope at their church next, I bet..."Sorry, only the Elect allowed in here..." (Then again, you know what goes on behind the velvet rope, don'tcha?)
 

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dante said:
They're actually pretty funny, and its especially satisfying since they're doing MORE harm than good to their cause. :nuts:
From my point if view it's disgusting, they are taking something beautiful like the the teachings of Jesus and perverting them in the name of "righteousness". Unfortunately, when people find out I'm a Christian I get painted with the same brush as these who claim to follow Jesus.
 

Andyman_1970

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MikeD said:
Nah, I'm confident that they're not really trying to recruit for or promote their cause...they seem happier to become a smaller and smugger and angrier group of the exclusive "God's Elect" in this disgusting world, hoping for the end of the world and their "deliverance" so they can look down on everyone else even more. (In their minds, quite literally "look down" from heaven on the [preacher] boiling brimstone lake...[/preacher])
I think you're right, they aren't too interesting in evangelism, but that's the case for most fringe Calvinist's, they tend to have a "Holy country club" mentality - which BTW is no where to be found in the Scriptures.
 

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Andyman_1970 said:
Unfortunately, when people find out I'm a Christian I get painted with the same brush as these who claim to follow Jesus.
I wonder if that Muslim family down the street from me ever feels that way?

(Whistling innocently...)
 

MikeD

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Andyman_1970 said:
they tend to have a "Holy country club" mentality - which BTW is no where to be found in the Scriptures.
Wrong! I quote the Book of Caddyshack, 1:5-
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And Jesus spake unto the people, saying "Verily, shall ye putt always on my father's glorious green and drive on the fairway of righteousness, but only when the ye have paid the quite sizable green fees and scheduled a tee time. And ye shall not allow any unrighteous 'playing through' in my father's sight.

"Oh, and no fags."
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MikeD said:
You're not serious...?

Anno Domini, "In the year of our Lord."
that's the playground metric that i was taught as well
 

MikeD

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Changleen said:
Hmm, makes sense. BC = Before Christ? No to that too? Shows how much variance there is in teaching.
Actually...BC is for Before Christ. If you look at n8's wikipedia link, apparently that also means that, as a Latin term, "AD" *should*, gramatically, come before the date... AD 100, for example. But BC as an English term should, gramatically, come afterward... 150 BC. It also notes that no one's following that convention anymore.

Plus, now it's not "BC" anymore. It's "BCE"-"Before Common Era" Noticed this when I was reading my GF's educational literature (she used to edit middle-school level reference books). I thought it was a mistake, but apparently, in the 7 years I've been out of school, that's now the rage.

MD
 

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MikeD said:
Actually...BC is for Before Christ. If you look at n8's wikipedia link, apparently that also means that, as a Latin term, "AD" *should*, gramatically, come before the date... AD 100, for example. But BC as an English term should, gramatically, come afterward... 150 BC. It also notes that no one's following that convention anymore.

Plus, now it's not "BC" anymore. It's "BCE"-"Before Common Era" Noticed this when I was reading my GF's educational literature (she used to edit middle-school level reference books). I thought it was a mistake, but apparently, in the 7 years I've been out of school, that's now the rage.

MD
Strange that I got taught that -My school did Latin too. Ecce, In pictura est puella, nomina Pam: