[OGRipper]

My guess is that even with the amounts they charge it would not be profitable to invest in expanding their production capabilities. Also, I expect they produce brakes faster than 12 - 15 months for the increasing amount of pros running their stuff, creating more lag time for ordinary consumers.

But hey, at least they've got these cool jerseys in stock:

 

[Sandro]

That’s the thing that is a bit puzzling: most of the machining and treatment is done externally. I talked to the boss a few times when Udi was trying to acquire some and he said that the booming automotive industry was clogging up all the machine shops. It certainly isn’t booming at the moment, so there must have been a significant surge in demand or a new bottleneck.

I could have dealt with 6 months if I really wanted some, but anything longer puts them out of contention.

 

[Nick]

IIRC, they don't manufacture, they're engineers and their machining is outsourced. perhaps they assemble?

 

[jonKranked]

IIRC, they don't manufacture, they're engineers and their machining is outsourced. perhaps they assemble?

that is my understanding, they have the subcomponents manufactured externally and assemble in house.

 

[jonKranked]

That’s the thing that is a bit puzzling: most of the machining and treatment is done externally. I talked to the boss a few times when Udi was trying to acquire some and he said that the booming automotive industry was clogging up all the machine shops. It certainly isn’t booming at the moment, so there must have been a significant surge in demand or a new bottleneck.

I could have dealt with 6 months if I really wanted some, but anything longer puts them out of contention.

i remember reading / hearing somewhere that they also had a stretch where varying batches of the subcomponents were coming in out of spec.

 

[Jm_]

if you go through a set of brakes a year, and the trickstuffs last 4 years then you've hit the BEP. if they last longer than 4 years (likely) they will cost you less in the long run.

Well not quite, because the trickstuff dementia doesn't just show up the minute you place the order, you still need 1.5 brakesets for the waiting period...which is really 2.

 

[jonKranked]

Well not quite, because the trickstuff dementia doesn't just show up the minute you place the order, you still need 1.5 brakesets for the waiting period...which is really 2.

the point is in the long run it'll wind up being cheaper than replacing brakes on an annual basis

 

[Jm_]

the point is in the long run it'll wind up being cheaper than replacing brakes on an annual basis

If they haven't changed the brake mount standard by the time you get your brakes.

 

[jonKranked]

If they haven't changed the brake mount standard by the time you get your brakes.

don't say that too loud, the lizards might get ideas

 

[jstuhlman]

the point is in the long run it'll wind up being cheaper than replacing brakes on an annual basis

Who replaces their brakes on an annual basis? I think I've had maybe three sets of brakes over the past 12 or more years. Two sets of XTs and my current Curas.

I know, I know, it's hard to believe I'm still alive what with XTs AND crabon barzzzz

 

[jonKranked]

Who replaces their brakes on an annual basis? I think I've had maybe three sets of brakes over the past 12 or more years. Two sets of XTs and my current Curas.

I know, I know, it's hard to believe I'm still alive what with XTs AND crabon barzzzz

if i hadn't actually met you i'd still be convinced you were a ghost trapped in a computer

 

[jonKranked]

Who replaces their brakes on an annual basis? I

have you seen how many brake threads there are? and how long they are?

 

[johnbryanpeters]

have you seen how many brake threads there are? and how long they are?

Virtually every "technical" thread runs in circles forever. I'm also in the club that runs my XT brakes forever, with annual bleeding and routine pad replacement. Before that it was Hayes, before that Magura (which sucked), before that DiaTech.

 

[jonKranked]

Virtually every "technical" thread runs in circles forever. I'm also in the club that runs my XT brakes forever, with annual bleeding and routine pad replacement. Before that it was Hayes, before that Magura (which sucked), before that DiaTech.

oh don't get me wrong, both sets of my XT's are over 5 years old. and i'm still running first gen saints on my DH bike. i'm always on the lookout for components that are gonna last for a long time, and am willing to pay extra for it.

 

[Flo33]

I think we have a single member who runs them? That’s admittedly a high percentage on a forum with 8 active members, but still.

No, Sir.

 

[Westy]

Virtually every "technical" thread runs in circles forever. I'm also in the club that runs my XT brakes forever, with annual bleeding and routine pad replacement. Before that it was Hayes, before that Magura (which sucked), before that DiaTech.

Many years ago I had a set of Avid lever fail soon after I replaced the pads. My method for recentering calipers was to grip the levers with all the strength I had while tightening the calipers. I quickly learned that wasn't necessary and counterproductive. I see people test their brakes with a full hand grip fairly often. I wonder if lever failures may be related to people giving them an Andre The Giant handshake when they are designed for single finger modulation. Either way, aside from that one Avid failure, and a pair of Hopes that never worked. All my brakes from a variety of suppliers have all been super reliable.

 

[kidwoo]

if i hadn't actually met you i'd still be convinced you were a ghost trapped in a computer

He obviously puts as much downforce on a bike as one.

 

[Happymtb.fr]

I am having second thoughts about my Cura 2. They work great and I really enjoy the loads of stopping power and the short throw when riding tracks I know well. But I have a tendency to do brake check a little more often than necessary when riding unknown terrain... it resulted in an OTB and a broken rib after last weekend trip to a bike park not a good way to start the summer...
Anyhow, I blame the equipment since I am too old to change my habits!

 

[dovbush66]

I am having second thoughts about my Cura 2. They work great and I really enjoy the loads of stopping power and the short throw when riding tracks I know well. But I have a tendency to do brake check a little more often than necessary when riding unknown terrain... it resulted in an OTB and a broken rib after last weekend trip to a bike park not a good way to start the summer...
Anyhow, I blame the equipment since I am too old to change my habits!

i feel your pain dude, dh bike 100% ready and I roll an ankle riding bmx, lol.

swapped to cura 2s from 4s because I didn't like the sponginess. just messing around what I can on the street but i really like them. the lever feel is sooooo good

 

[slimshady]

i feel your pain dude, dh bike 100% ready and I roll an ankle riding bmx, lol.

You should give up on the little bike and ride a grown man sized one, just like Chase, just sayin...

Chase Hawk on Instagram: "I’d like to sincerely thank #StatusMTB for introducing me to a new way to have fun on two wheels. It’s been nothing but great times trying to figure this bike out! AVAILABLE NOW in small quantities at SELECT SHOPS! I suggest you start looking "

4,969 likes, 77 comments - chasehawk on July 14, 2020: "I’d like to sincerely thank #StatusMTB for introducing me to a new way to have fun on two wheels. It’s been nothing but great times trying to figure this bike out! AVAILABLE NOW in small quantities at SELECT SHOPS! I suggest you start...

www.instagram.com

</sarcasm>

 

[englertracing]

You should give up on the little bike and ride a grown man sized one, just like Chase, just sayin...

Chase Hawk on Instagram: "I’d like to sincerely thank #StatusMTB for introducing me to a new way to have fun on two wheels. It’s been nothing but great times trying to figure this bike out! AVAILABLE NOW in small quantities at SELECT SHOPS! I suggest you start looking "

4,969 likes, 77 comments - chasehawk on July 14, 2020: "I’d like to sincerely thank #StatusMTB for introducing me to a new way to have fun on two wheels. It’s been nothing but great times trying to figure this bike out! AVAILABLE NOW in small quantities at SELECT SHOPS! I suggest you start...

www.instagram.com

</sarcasm>

Thats underwhelming compared to what he is capable of on a bmx

 

[Happymtb.fr]

Well, injury sucks whatever type of bike you ride

 

[ebarker9]

So I've returned to this thread to continue pushing my luck in asking for advice about MT5's. In general, these are great. More power than I need, I actually like the lever ergonomics, and they were cheap. However, a few issues...

-The rotors were pretty warped out of the box. Both front and rear rub on both pads. I've mostly managed to tweak them straight but maybe because of the greater thickness, it took a bit of work.
-Took me a lot of working the individual pistons in and out to get them all extending and retracting evenly.
-I still don't get the bleed process if I follow Magura's instructions

. Pushing fluid from the caliper into the brake side syringe, sure. But if I have to draw it back to the caliper syringe I just end up pulling a bunch of air past the lever side connection.
-The bleed blocks that are supplied have no clips to keep them in place. There are videos showing the use of rubber bands or a tie to keep them from falling out. Seriously, why?
-The brakes have that lovely Avid Juicy 7 turkey warble sound. First it was just the front. Now it's the back as well. Everything is mounted solidly. Caliper is nicely centered. I followed my normal bed in process of rolling down my street, dragging the brake, never coming to a stop, slowly increasing speed. Tried sanding the pads on sandpaper on a flat surface, cleaning with IPA, and then repeating the bed in. Same result. Pad compound issue? Inherent problem with these brakes?
-The pads are a pain to remove. The pistons have to be 100% fully retracted and even then it's a bit of a battle. This is with the magnetic backing/piston connection. Maybe others are different.

 

[Da Peach]

This has worked for me.

 

[ebarker9]

This has worked for me.

Thanks, I did managed to get them bled in the end mostly through trial and error. That looks like a good process. But the freaking warbling noise...ugh.

 

[Andeh]

The bleed blocks I got with my Trail Sports, MT7s, and bleed kits were all the sort that let you hold them in place with the pad bolt (like in the video Da Peach linked).

Mine only make noise when they're wet, but it goes away pretty quick as the water evaporates off from the heat. If they're warbling otherwise, sounds like you contaminated them or something.

When doing a full bleed, I remove the plunger from the MC syringe and treat it like a funnel. I push holding the caliper at the lowest point, then raise it up and pull. This is a lot easier to do if your bike doesn't have internal brake line routing.

 

[ebarker9]

The bleed blocks I got with my Trail Sports, MT7s, and bleed kits were all the sort that let you hold them in place with the pad bolt (like in the video Da Peach linked).

Mine only make noise when they're wet, but it goes away pretty quick as the water evaporates off from the heat. If they're warbling otherwise, sounds like you contaminated them or something.

When doing a full bleed, I remove the plunger from the MC syringe and treat it like a funnel. I push holding the caliper at the lowest point, then raise it up and pull. This is a lot easier to do if your bike doesn't have internal brake line routing.

Thanks.

Yeah, I don't have any retaining bolt. It's just the magnetic pads that keep them in place and stop them from rattling around. That would definitely make life easier.

I know that contamination is always the answer, but I really can't imagine any way that it would have happened. I'm super diligent about rubber gloves, never touching the pad or rotor surfaces, cleaning up any brake fluid with brake cleaner before reinstalling pads, etc. And it's the same for both brakes.

On the subject of pads, I have the linked type. Any advantages/disadvantages to the type that has a pad per piston?

 

[6thElement]

One of the 200mm rotors I bought at the start of this year wasn't true either, doesn't even spin through the caliper. Haven't bothered dealing with it or shortening the four hoses as the COVID's has meant wife and I haven't wanted to head to DH parks.

 

[englertracing]

So I've returned to this thread to continue pushing my luck in asking for advice about MT5's. In general, these are great. More power than I need, I actually like the lever ergonomics, and they were cheap. However, a few issues...

-The rotors were pretty warped out of the box. Both front and rear rub on both pads. I've mostly managed to tweak them straight but maybe because of the greater thickness, it took a bit of work.
-Took me a lot of working the individual pistons in and out to get them all extending and retracting evenly.
-I still don't get the bleed process if I follow Magura's instructions

. Pushing fluid from the caliper into the brake side syringe, sure. But if I have to draw it back to the caliper syringe I just end up pulling a bunch of air past the lever side connection.
-The bleed blocks that are supplied have no clips to keep them in place. There are videos showing the use of rubber bands or a tie to keep them from falling out. Seriously, why?
-The brakes have that lovely Avid Juicy 7 turkey warble sound. First it was just the front. Now it's the back as well. Everything is mounted solidly. Caliper is nicely centered. I followed my normal bed in process of rolling down my street, dragging the brake, never coming to a stop, slowly increasing speed. Tried sanding the pads on sandpaper on a flat surface, cleaning with IPA, and then repeating the bed in. Same result. Pad compound issue? Inherent problem with these brakes?
-The pads are a pain to remove. The pistons have to be 100% fully retracted and even then it's a bit of a battle. This is with the magnetic backing/piston connection. Maybe others are different.


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Maybe try sending your rotors and doing another bedding procedure, but get them good and hot after that not Mandy pandy baby dragging stuff. Sometimes getting them hot AF alone can shut them up.

Also bleeding anything with suction beyond a very initial starting like wetting the system is pretty universally dumb.

Backbleeding from syringe good
Air likes going up hill.....
Bleeding master to caliper fine, good to go both directions... but do it with pressure not suction no matter what they say

 

[Udi]

"Quit your whining, you're just a cheap bastard, that's the only reason you don't have Trick Stuff, don't bother asking about your shitty brakes you cheap bastard, it's not the lead time, there's a single pink one in stock at a shop somewhere in either the Alps or the Pyrenees, or maybe it's in Denmark, just buy that one"

Epic butthurt there, also that's not a nice way to talk about @Flo33

 

[ebarker9]

Maybe try sending your rotors and doing another bedding procedure, but get them good and hot after that not Mandy pandy baby dragging stuff. Sometimes getting them hot AF alone can shut them up.

Also bleeding anything with suction beyond a very initial starting like wetting the system is pretty universally dumb.

Backbleeding from syringe good
Air likes going up hill.....
Bleeding master to caliper fine, good to go both directions... but do it with pressure not suction no matter what they say

Will try, thanks. It does seem that, as good as bikes generally are now, there are so many things that require a much higher level of setup/maintenance work than they should.

 

[Flo33]

Epic butthurt there, also that's not a nice way to talk about @Flo33

No worries, I'm colourblind, like really colourblind. Everything but black on my bike annoys me to such an extent that I just ignore it.

 

[Jm_]

Another vote for TRPs, and I also felt like the orgs were rubbish compared to the metals. Which is another point, you can run Shimano (Saint) metal pads in them, which are usually relatively cheap and easy to come by. Easy to set up out of the box as well.

But overall this thread is almost sounding like it should be part of the "What's right with the industry thread", since there's some strong proponents of Mags, TRPs, Formulas and even Hayes. Seems like Shimano left the door open (and never bothered to close it again), and others brands finally stepped in/up.

Well TRP it is then. I got a bunch of new shitmono metallic pads, just replaced my rotors to refresh them, but the rear brake is now "soft", like every time I get on the bike the lever travels further and the lever MC is all damp. This is the brake I bought in Bellingham too, when my XT blew out for the same reason (but much more dramatically). The plan is to slowly switch over my fleet to brakes that don't week at the caliper pistons and blow out at the levers...Hope works good for my fat-bike.

 

[Nick]

Does anyone have the DHR-Evo in stock?
I looked at TRP's site weeks ago & they were backordered.

 

[toodles]

the point is in the long run it'll wind up being cheaper than replacing brakes on an annual basis

After a quick lap on them on the weekend they're on the top of my upgrade list. Bonkers.

 

[boostindoubles]

Went mtb riding at 11k, lost the front magura trail sport. Lever would go to the bar. Got home to 1k and it did some stopping but still pulled to the bar. 10 bleeds later we are back in business.

 

[englertracing]

Went mtb riding at 11k, lost the front magura trail sport. Lever would go to the bar. Got home to 1k and it did some stopping but still pulled to the bar. 10 bleeds later we are back in business.

Just need to run degassed fluid i guess

 

[boostindoubles]

Just need to run degassed fluid i guess

So many bubbles

 

[englertracing]

So many bubbles

I know a suspension guy who actually degasses the proprietary fluid he sells.

 

[Jm_]

Went mtb riding at 11k, lost the front magura trail sport. Lever would go to the bar. Got home to 1k and it did some stopping but still pulled to the bar. 10 bleeds later we are back in business.

Wait, why mineral oil again?