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jimmydean

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nikwho said:
what is comparable? i like the lancer evo's but they are too much $ too. i kinda like the jettas.... im in the $20k-$26k range... im open to suggestions!!! i dont wanna make a mistake!
A guy at work bought a '04 350z for $18k (I think). It's nearly stock with an auto and can go head to head with the EVO's in SCCA (the WRX has it's own class, but not the EVO). I know a lot of people on here love the Subbies, I'm just not a fan.

Also, a good friend of mine picked up a Magnum Hemi (small block, not the biggie) for $22k and is getting 26mpg average. Holds twice as much as any Subbie and was much more fun than a friends STi, I thought.
 

Toshi

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ugh, anything with an auto save for a mclaren slr is teh suck.
 

fluff

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Sep 8, 2001
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Sounds interesting. Purely for the circuit? 2gall tank seems a bit small.
Superdeft said:
Current car: 06 honda element

Dream car: Inside my element is the engine for my dream car I am helping design and build. Notice we're using CCDB shocks.


Track: 49 in. (front)
45 in. (rear)
Wheelbase: 66 in.
Curb Weight: 375 lbs.
Approx. Weight Distribution (f/r): 55/45

Powertrain
Engine: 2004 Honda CBR600 F4i
ECU: Performance Electronics ECU
Fuel Capacity: 2 gal.
Fuel Type: 100 Unleaded Octane

Chassis
Crash Attenuator: Aluminum Foam Composite
Bodywork: Carbon Fiber Body
Frame: 4130 Steel Spaceframe
Ground Clearance: 2 in.

Suspension
Wheels: 13 in. Three Piece Wheels
Brakes: 7.75 in. Slotted Rotors
Suspension Type: Double Wishbone/Pushrod (front)
Double Wishbone/Pushrod (rear)
Shock Absorbers: Cane Creek Double Barrel
Steering Ratio: 12:1
 

Toshi

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fluff said:
Sounds interesting. Purely for the circuit? 2gall tank seems a bit small.
i am 99% certain he's describing his school's formula sae car, so yes, "for the circuit".
 

Qman

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I take it you're building a Formula SAE car?
They've changed the limit to 2 gallons now? I think we were limited to 1 gallon over a decade ago.
The school I went to improved by leaps and bounds with a grant from Boeing the year after I graduated. A few years back they machined their own 600cc V8.
I don't think the car was extremely competitive due to some minor electrical glitches but that little engine was a work of art.


Superdeft said:
Current car: 06 honda element

Dream car: Inside my element is the engine for my dream car I am helping design and build. Notice we're using CCDB shocks.


Track: 49 in. (front)
45 in. (rear)
Wheelbase: 66 in.
Curb Weight: 375 lbs.
Approx. Weight Distribution (f/r): 55/45

Powertrain
Engine: 2004 Honda CBR600 F4i
ECU: Performance Electronics ECU
Fuel Capacity: 2 gal.
Fuel Type: 100 Unleaded Octane

Chassis
Crash Attenuator: Aluminum Foam Composite
Bodywork: Carbon Fiber Body
Frame: 4130 Steel Spaceframe
Ground Clearance: 2 in.

Suspension
Wheels: 13 in. Three Piece Wheels
Brakes: 7.75 in. Slotted Rotors
Suspension Type: Double Wishbone/Pushrod (front)
Double Wishbone/Pushrod (rear)
Shock Absorbers: Cane Creek Double Barrel
Steering Ratio: 12:1
 

jimmydean

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Toshi said:
ugh, anything with an auto save for a mclaren slr is teh suck.
I would agree for the most part, but on the autocross courses, the shiftable auto has proven it's worth it by a long shot.
 

Toshi

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jimmydean said:
I would agree for the most part, but on the autocross courses, the shiftable auto has proven it's worth it by a long shot.
why would the auto be better than a manual? most courses just involve one shift from 1-2 and then you leave it in 2nd the whole rest of the time. i haven't seen anyone with an auto near the top of the standings at local autox events.
 
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I have my dream car. 4WD Honda Element with moonroof for stargazing. Sleeps two, holds bike and gear. It's peppy. It's ugly enough so that no one would want to steal it. What else could I need?
 

jimmydean

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Toshi said:
why would the auto be better than a manual? most courses just involve one shift from 1-2 and then you leave it in 2nd the whole rest of the time. i haven't seen anyone with an auto near the top of the standings at local autox events.
I wouldn't know, it's what I've been told. I know that the guy at work with the auto finishes ahead of the 350z's with a stick at 3 events so far. He has only done 3 events ever and has had the car 2 months.

So unless the other Z drivers just plain suck, I would say the quicker shift points in the auto have some advantage. Then again, maybe the other guys can't drive a stick.

I was happy with the auto in the magnum rt8 as well. the shift points were nice, but it might be because I'm old too.
 

W4S

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I have the tiptronic shift thing in my car, it's kinda funky because the shifts are fast and it throws a little throttle tip during the shift to keep rpm's going, so in track driving I think it might be faster for a more novice driver, but in city driving first gear feels really wierd. Also, for the enthusiast drivers, I got my A4 chipped during lunch break. All I can say is that the car feels completely different and totally too fast for normal driving. :help:

Anybody else running something like this and want to share their experiences? :)
 

Toshi

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autos are good for turbo drag cars since they allow boost to be held between shifts. but any decent driver can beat a slushbox in shift time (as distinct from true manuals-that-shift-themselves such as the ferrari F1, SMG, and DSG boxes)...

:confused:
 

W4S

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Mar 2, 2004
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Toshi said:
autos are good for turbo drag cars since they allow boost to be held between shifts. but any decent driver can beat a slushbox in shift time (as distinct from true manuals-that-shift-themselves such as the ferrari F1, SMG, and DSG boxes)...

:confused:
DSG and exhaust are next, I suppose. I'm pretty new at cars so I'm sure i'll have a lot of dumb comments and questions. I bought the tiptronic because this car is, first and foremost, my work vehicle. Which means that I spend a lot of time driving in LA traffic and shifting 5,000 times/ hour, holding the clutch, blah,blah, blah... gets to be a real drag. Tiptronic seems to be a decent compromise.
 

Toshi

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you can't add DSG to a gearbox without replacing the whole thing :) . i wonder if someone has swapped one to a subaru yet :think: . and driving in traffic isn't that bad even with a stiff clutch. makes ya stronger. then again, socal probably makes seattle look like it had a well-thought-out freeway system...
 

partsbara

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W4S said:
I have the tiptronic shift thing in my car, it's kinda funky because the shifts are fast and it throws a little throttle tip during the shift to keep rpm's going, so in track driving I think it might be faster for a more novice driver, but in city driving first gear feels really wierd. Also, for the enthusiast drivers, I got my A4 chipped during lunch break. All I can say is that the car feels completely different and totally too fast for normal driving. :help:

Anybody else running something like this and want to share their experiences? :)
do ua mind if i ask what the chip run ya ???
 

jimmydean

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Toshi said:
you can't add DSG to a gearbox without replacing the whole thing :) . i wonder if someone has swapped one to a subaru yet :think: . and driving in traffic isn't that bad even with a stiff clutch. makes ya stronger. then again, socal probably makes seattle look like it had a well-thought-out freeway system...
Try driving my truck in traffic. The clutch in my truck is so stiff, my left leg is twice the size of my right now. I put in a stage 2 when I put in the new motor and what a difference. I'll convert it to hydro when I put the LS1 and 6 speed in next year.

I myself wouldn't own an auto Z, don't get me wrong. I was just told it was doing very well in the auto-x is all. Hell, the main reason I bought my truck was the Muncie M21 :D
 

habitatxskate

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sorry i haven't looked into this about the whole 2x4 setup, but there is a kit which is relatively cheap and you can make your t-case "divorced" using a 200 dollar kit and gives you the same effect..though if you lower your d- shaft wouldn't you ultimately lower the whole u-joint providing less clearance and have you snapping a d-shaft instead of a 30 dollar chromoly ujoint? you can buy whole t-case/tranny 3" lowering kits to give you a better d-shaft angle..the transmission is not built to handle 4 wheels..let me take out the 4x4 magazine and use some "creative quotes"
 

habitatxskate

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10 bolt axles, which i own too, are 1000 for both and say it is highly recommended to run 10 bolts front and rear, which means trashing your old front and rear ones!!
-$1000 dollars
"due to the fact that the two wheel drive pickup transmissions won't mate to a standard New Process transfer case, IT'S NESSACARY TO to locate a sibling TH700R4out of a four wheel drive"-quote four wheeler magazine may of 06..(p.s. i got that transmission and those axles)

-the mag says "500 used, 1200 rebult and 1800 new"
-you need a tcase, from a junk yard 500..you may need new gears too..
-they highly recommend BRAND NEW driveshafts front and rear, used don't cut it
-you may change your axle pattern 5 lug to 6 lug(10 bolt is always 6 lug) and yuo may go to a bigger or smaller rim..right there 1000 bucks for offroad tires w/ rims


The Verdict as said in four wheeler magazine

they said they spent considerably more money for the aprts they would have needed fir the conversion then than the purchase rice of the truck..

total cost, for the "professional team"

3,489 bucks.usually 2wd is about 1 or 2 g cheaper..

if you wish, i will scan the article and post em..just let me know.

took me 20 minutes to find the magazine..hope this helps clear anything else up

someone please give me some credit for taking the time to prove my point, please.
 

EricMcFlow

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W4S said:
I have the tiptronic shift thing in my car, it's kinda funky because the shifts are fast and it throws a little throttle tip during the shift to keep rpm's going, so in track driving I think it might be faster for a more novice driver, but in city driving first gear feels really wierd. Also, for the enthusiast drivers, I got my A4 chipped during lunch break. All I can say is that the car feels completely different and totally too fast for normal driving. :help:

Anybody else running something like this and want to share their experiences? :)

Novice or not, a true 5sp A4 will always be better at the track then a Tiptronic. DSG or SMG are a lot better. I instruct for the Audi Club NA and have been in lots of both. I had an APR Stage III A4, it was fun and fast as all heck.
 

jimmydean

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habitatxskate said:
someone please give me some credit for taking the time to prove my point, please.
Dude, you're talking about taking a 2wd and making it a 4wd. That is not the point at all. If all you want is a 4wd, then yes, buying one is cheaper. If you want a lifted monster of an offroad rig (like 10+ inches of lift), it is cheaper to start without all that stuff. I too have a magazine article that outlines the conversion of a cover truck that started as a 2wd burried in my closet somewhere. They used all aftermarket and fabbed underwork that goes far beyond stock.

If you want to turn 40" tires (and use them), I would not recomend 10 bolt axles either. My buddys Bronco is runnung Dana 60's with 1 ton 4 wheel disc brakes to handle the 39" Mickeys. Hell, my truck is running a 12 bolt (space for larger overbuilt gears).

Don't feel bad, you've been at this for what, 2 years? I have been around and built trucks since '88. I'm glad you get excited about this stuff, but you will figure out what works for you as you go along.
 

habitatxskate

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if you mean rock buggy, yes, i would rather take an assortment of parts such as rockwells, custom dom frame/body, everything made custom, i'm talking street legal truck, or at least a mud truck..i am interested in rock buggies, but i don't love em like i love mud rigs..rocks are too slow and complicated IMO,

i know about 1/2 and 3/4 are max at 38 and safer 35 and one tons with 44 at max, and rockwells and 4 tons and 10 ton military issued axles..

10 inch lift is nothing nj personally speaking, its all mud clearance then tire clearance out here at least, more guys love having the height and the easiness of putting tires under then cutting the fenders and the whole 9 yards..

my friend has 39.5 boggers w/ a 16 inch lift
i talked to a guy in a ford with a 9inch lift and 35s, hes putting a 12 in just to run 38s for mud clearance..
my friend's f350 has a 12 inch lift with 36s!!
all mud trucks, IMO are lifted higher to clear the frame and tranny and all vital parts out of the dirty NJ mud.

if you are going far beyond stock why not make everything custom, only mass produced things would be axles engine and stuff, frame and body should be all custom..

...i bought the truck not knowing jack sh1t at the age of 14.when i bought my truck i got severly dicked over and had no idea what i got myself into..now i watch my ass and do so much research i piss off the local 4x4 shops knowing their prices are 100 dollars high to 400 overprice..isn't a corporate 10 bolt a GM copy of a dana 44.thats what i've been told.so 1/2 tons to 3/4 tons in theory are virtually useless except for upgrading lug count, but a knuckle change could fix that..i mean, you can run 1 ton rear and have a 3/4 ton front just to have same lug number...am i right?


i've been at this for a 11 monthes or so..i just turned 15 in may
 

W4S

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Toshi said:
you can't add DSG to a gearbox without replacing the whole thing :) . i wonder if someone has swapped one to a subaru yet :think: . and driving in traffic isn't that bad even with a stiff clutch. makes ya stronger. then again, socal probably makes seattle look like it had a well-thought-out freeway system...
yeah, I got a test ride in a 'knowledgable' guy's A3 today while waiting for my car to be done. 290hp, 312 pf/ torque and obscenely fast. :love:
 

jimmydean

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What I am talking about is lifting a truck. Not why, but how.

Example:
If you have a Chevy that is newer than '87, you will have an IFS front. To lift that more than about 8" (not body lift either), you will spend a lot of money (6" IFS lift is about $2500). If you bought the same year truck in a 2wd, you will spend on average $2k-$3k less. Take that $3k and buy a solid axle, 8" lift springs front and rear, trans, xfer case, and new drivelines. Now I have a 4wd truck that is 8" higher than your stock 4x4 for the same price. Now spend some bucks on shock towers, nice shocks, gears, lockers, wheels and tires and you are set.

So do you see how it is cheaper in the long run? Sure, if you have the truck in hand, then rock what you have. But if your looking for a NEW truck and you want to lift the hell out of it, your better off buying a 2wd and addding than trying to deal with stock limitiations or a ton of leftover parts (like the stock shocks, stock gears, stock springs, stock steering linkage) that you won't use after you drive the truck into the shop.

<edit> this is common with Toyota's also. You can get a 2wd Toy for a lot less than a 4wd if you want to lift it more than 6". You need to first swap the front with a solid axle and toss all the IFS crap, then go from there.
 

Ian F

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jimmydean said:
Don't feel bad, you've been at this for what, 2 years? I have been around and built trucks since '88. I'm glad you get excited about this stuff, but you will figure out what works for you as you go along.
Definitely. Many moons (16 years) ago I had a '78 F-150 and installed a 6" lift for 36" Super Swampers. Never again. It's not so much that the lift was bad, it's just that after I was done and had spent a lot more money than I had planned to, it really didn't "look" that big. 36's fill the wells of that era Ford quite nicely. Of course, when you stood next to it and the hood was at eye-level, it was obviously not stock, but in a way I was dissappointed. And of course, being only a 1/2 ton, I couldn't really push the truck very hard or risk breaking stuff.

So, I made the vow that should I ever have to desire and opportunity to build a lifted truck again, I would go all-out. 44" tires. Custom springs. Dana 60 & 70 rears. Starting with a 2WD truck would probably be cheaper, but I'd definitely want at least a 3/4 ton for it's beefier frame.

IMO, lifting a truck is stupid, so if youre going to build such a toy (and let's face it, it really is just a toy) you may as well go all the way.
 

stevew

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jimmydean, your truck was complaining it is afraid of heights. lower it please.....



hahaha...thought you might like the picture.
 

manhattanprjkt83

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everyone wishes they had an s4/s6/s8/avant something they rock, im actually looking at a esspho today, ill let you know how it goes...
 

Salami

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We have a few cars right now. 2003 Honda Accord, 2002 Mazda Protoge 5 and a 1996 Honda Civic project car. The Mazda is going to be sold soon. I like to tinker with cars so the Civic is my current dream car. It has had a lot of upgrades in the 7 years I have had it.

 

COmtbiker12

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Salami said:
We have a few cars right now. 2003 Honda Accord, 2002 Mazda Protoge 5 and a 1996 Honda Civic project car. The Mazda is going to be sold soon. I like to tinker with cars so the Civic is my current dream car. It has had a lot of upgrades in the 7 years I have had it.

What all have you done to your civic? I've got parts for a mini-me swap in my garage for mine. Unfortunately I have such small finances that I can't finish it or expand to other things. :(

Oh! And to stick with the thread...

even though it's a moto, I REALLY want an old Norton Commando. :D HAWT!