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Google to 'launch own PC'
Windows-free, of course
The Register UK | 3 Jan 2006 | Tony Smith

Google is planning to provide an own-brand Windows-less PC and sell the low-cost system through a partnership with retail giant Wal-Mart. The machine and/or the sales deal could be announced as early as this coming Friday.

So claims the Los Angeles Times, citing unnamed sources. Whether they've seen the text of Google co-founder Larry Page's Consumer Electronics Show keynote, which he'll make in Las Vegas on Friday, isn't clear, but it's suggested that the talk will cover the new box.

As the paper notes, analysts from investment house Bear Stearns last month claimed Google was preparing a box capable of shuffling digital Internet-sourced media content around the home across local wireless or wired networks.

Crucially, the rig is said to be based on Google's own operating system - most likely Linux in Google clothing - rather than Windows.

Yes, that old chestnut. But while it has been often claimed in the past that Google wants to get into the OS business, there's been no compelling reason given why this would be a good idea. Google's strengths are internet advertising - which is were its money comes from - and its search engine brand. Whether the latter is strong enough to translate into a very different arena - computer hardware - is open to question. Beyond any licensing fee it makes from its manufacturing partner, what's the gain?

Pissing off Microsoft? It might, but releasing a Google OS is a very long way from displacing the Beast of Redmond from its PC throne, particularly in the desktop segment. Apple hasn't done it and Linux hasn't done, and both have had many years to try. Google wouldn't exactly be short of competition on the hardware side either.

The idea of a low-cost, consumer-oriented information processing system isn't unattractive, but it's been tried before and largely failed. In part, that's because the offerings didn't have a backer of the wealth of Google behind it, but unless the vendor seriously limits what the thing can do, sooner or later the support calls start flooding in and the cost of helping non-technical buyers install new software and updates start mounting. All this just to get a few more ads in front of a few more eyeballs, which is the motivation Google is perceived to have behind launching its own PC?
 

binary visions

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I'd probably give a Google-tweaked version of Linux a try. Their software tends to be clean, fast, and unbloated.

Interesting, I'll be following this news...
 

binary visions

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Echo said:
I liked google. Now they have joined forces with the hated evil satanic monster I hate more than anything. :(
Realistically, though, where else can you successfully bring a super low cost PC to the market? The internet is fine and dandy but a lot of people buying these PCs don't have a PC to shop on the internet with. Places like Staples have a much narrower audience.
 

Echo

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binary visions said:
Realistically, though, where else can you successfully bring a super low cost PC to the market? The internet is fine and dandy but a lot of people buying these PCs don't have a PC to shop on the internet with. Places like Staples have a much narrower audience.
I'm not sure I care if more poor people can access the intarweb.
 

sanjuro

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Internet-only computers have always failed. WebTV is the perfect example.

Don't get me wrong. I would love to see Linux shoot MS in the foot. But the dumasses who buy Google's PC will flip when they cannot load the $9.99 PC game they bought from Wal-Mart as well....
 

binary visions

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sanjuro said:
Internet-only computers have always failed. WebTV is the perfect example.
Agreed!
Don't get me wrong. I would love to see Linux shoot MS in the foot. But the dumasses who buy Google's PC will flip when they cannot load the $9.99 PC game they bought from Wal-Mart as well....
That's true, but emulation software is becoming more and more robust, especially in Linux. I wonder if a big push with some financial backing could actually give emulation software like WINE the support necessary to make it a completely transparent process?
 

sanjuro

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binary visions said:
Agreed!

That's true, but emulation software is becoming more and more robust, especially in Linux. I wonder if a big push with some financial backing could actually give emulation software like WINE the support necessary to make it a completely transparent process?
One would hope if Google got behind WINE things would change. However MS would then issue a release of Windows which prevented access to the Google search engine.
 

binary visions

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DRB said:
How much did Google make on its IPO?
24.6 million shares will be sold for an estimated $108 to $135 each, depending on the unusual auction Google plans to employ as early as summer 2004, according to a regulatory filing.

That would mean that between $2.66 billion and $3.32 billion in stock would be sold in the initial public offering. However, the amount Google itself expects to raise is $1.66 billion, because some of the shares being offered are being sold by existing stockholders.

It would be the eighth largest IPO in history, ranking higher than most that took place during the dot-com boom of the 1990s. Unlike those companies, Google has consistently been profitable and has posted steep revenue increases.
Sheesh. That's a lot of moolah.

sanjuro said:
One would hope if Google got behind WINE things would change. However MS would then issue a release of Windows which prevented access to the Google search engine.
Undoubtedly. :mumble:
 

H8R

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binary visions said:
I'd probably give a Google-tweaked version of Linux a try. Their software tends to be clean, fast, and unbloated.

Interesting, I'll be following this news...
Walmart sold Linux-loaded PC's a few years ago. They axed it really quick - no sales.
 

binary visions

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H8R said:
Walmart sold Linux-loaded PC's a few years ago. They axed it really quick - no sales.
Right, it was... HP/Compaq, right? With a stock load of Redhat or something. I don't remember the exact details but there wasn't much effort put forth - they just loaded a boxed flavor of linux and shipped it.

Nobody wants out-of-the-box linux. It's a friggin' nightmare for the average user. However, the operating system is robust enough that good desktop integration, some utilities and some good emulation software could make it very usable. Google has the potential to put some bucks into the development of desktop utilities, and Google's user interface design guys are certainly on top of things.
 

H8R

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binary visions said:
Nobody wants out-of-the-box linux. It's a friggin' nightmare for the average user. .
I tried the 64 bit version of Fedora last night. It does not play well with nVidia's 6150/430 chipset. No sound, video problems, no detection of my wireless card, etc.

I'm way too off of the Linux track to deal with the issues it was throwing at me.

I might try the 32 bit version, it might have better overall driver support.
 

binary visions

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I'm way too off of the Linux track to deal with the issues it was throwing at me.
Yeah, I said f**k it a few years ago. When linux is running, it's screaming fast. When it argues with you, though, be prepared to spend a LOT of time researching solutions and trying different configurations...
 

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binary visions said:
Right, it was... HP/Compaq, right? With a stock load of Redhat or something. I don't remember the exact details but there wasn't much effort put forth - they just loaded a boxed flavor of linux and shipped it.

Nobody wants out-of-the-box linux. It's a friggin' nightmare for the average user. However, the operating system is robust enough that good desktop integration, some utilities and some good emulation software could make it very usable. Google has the potential to put some bucks into the development of desktop utilities, and Google's user interface design guys are certainly on top of things.
The box WalMart sold was Lindows (now known as Linspire) based white box system for like $299 complete. It sold like crazy, but when Lindows got sued by Microshaft, WalMart dropped it like a hot rock.

There are a couple out of the box versions of Linux that run rather well right now, Linspire being one of them. I have my wife running on Ubuntu (debian based) and she loves it. I also worked for a year on Intel's Linux Desktop team using Red Hat Enterprise and Novell Linux Desktop. I would rather run SuSE over NLD, but Red Hat Enterprise 4 is nice enough for most people (minus Red Hat's problems with the 1394 implementation).

The key to the WalMart Linux boxes is automation. If it surfs porn, auto updates, and can track NASCAR, it will sell. As long as the OEM does a good job of setting up the OS, it will smoke a Windows box. It's no different than an OEM f-ing up a Windows install.

Just my $.02
 

manhattanprjkt83

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I'm pretty excited about this announcement, even though it is the "bargain PC" market...I think it will be awesome to bring an option other than Windows the the non power user...

How much google stock do you guys own?