[Cave Dweller]

I don't ever post in your guys political or religious area as its none of my business what you yanks do to your own country.

But some of you might be interested in this video.

Its by an Australian hip hop act called The Herd. Its a remake of a song from a few years ago about the Vietnam war, its more of a folky type song, not like their usual stuff but good none the less.

Thought i would post it up as its relevant seeing the ungodly mess the US, and Australia to a lesser extent, is in Iraq at the moment, sending alot of our countries youth of to die as cannon fodder, just like Vietnam.

Watch the video and post up what you think about the images / feelings it congures up.

right click > save as > 20mb
http://www.brokenyellow.com/mov/theherd.mov

 

[Changleen]

I don't ever post in your guys political or religious area as its none of my business what you yanks do to your own country.

It's just all the stuff they do outside of their country that bothers me...

 

[Cave Dweller]

It's just all the stuff they do outside of their country that bothers me...

Same with me, but lets not let this degenerate into a US bashing thread. There are alot of Americans who disagree with the current administration, i try not to paint them all with the same brush.

I would hate for people overseas to believe i think John Howard is a good prime minister of Australia who is representative of the nation. 80% of people didn't want us to get involved in Iraq and he did it anyway, stupid ****ing idiot.

All countries have committed war crimes, made intelligence errors, made errors of judgement with the benefit of hindsight, and all countries send young men off to fight for whatever agenda suits the powers to be at that time.

Both yours and my country sent men to Gallipoli to be mowed down as the gutless brits didn't want to do it themselves, and there was not even any strategic benefit of having that chunk of land, it all came down to Churchill wanting to do it. How do you feel about that?

Why through out history, and still to this day, do political powers so easily sign away young mens lives at the flick of a pen for agendas only known to them?

It makes me angry, how about you? What gives them the right to do these things. They should be accountable, how can we make them? We have no systems in place to punish them for doing these things, 2000+ US soldiers dead in Iraq, plus how many wounded, plus 35,000 innocent Iraq civilian casualties, who should pay for this travesty?

Why must we keep replaying History over and over, when will we learn from past mistakes.

 

[Changleen]

Same with me, but lets not let this degenerate into a US bashing thread. There are alot of Americans who disagree with the current administration, i try not to paint them all with the same brush.

Yeah, there are sone of the good ones on here.

I would hate for people overseas to believe i think John Howard is a good prime minister of Australia who is representative of the nation. 80% of people didn't want us to get involved in Iraq and he did it anyway, stupid ****ing idiot.

He does seem to be turning Australia somewhat more to the right...

All countries have committed war crimes, made intelligence errors, made errors of judgement with the benefit of hindsight, and all countries send young men off to fight for whatever agenda suits the powers to be at that time.

Both yours and my country sent men to Gallipoli to be mowed down as the gutless brits didn't want to do it themselves, and there was not even any strategic benefit of having that chunk of land, it all came down to Churchill wanting to do it. How do you feel about that?

Actually I am one of those gutless Brits. I moved to NZ partly for the lifestyle and partly because I don't like where the UK is going.

Why through out history, and still to this day, do political powers so easily sign away young mens lives at the flick of a pen for agendas only known to them?

I think at the end of the day, the most generic answer is 'because they can'.

It makes me angry, how about you? What gives them the right to do these things. They should be accountable, how can we make them? We have no systems in place to punish them for doing these things, 2000+ US soldiers dead in Iraq, plus how many wounded, plus 35,000 innocent Iraq civilian casualties, who should pay for this travesty?

Hell yeah it pisses me off bigtime. That is why things like the International Criminal Court exist, but are ignored by the Americans. The reality is the only people who will pay are the soldiers and civilians who are on the ground, and the citizens of teh US and Europe who end up paying for it. It sucks really really bad.

Why must we keep replaying History over and over, when will we learn from past mistakes.[/QUOTE]

 

[valve bouncer]

Redgum...that brings back memories. Can you remember the original CD?