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Would it have been a better idea for her and her daughter to have had abortions done early in their pregnacies? Then, she would be a better VP pick...hey, at least she wouldn't have to deal with issues like that in her life...heck, after doing something like that, someone like you might even considering voting for her. Just kidding.
If you have to ask...you'll never know.
So, is this what you are expecting?
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That's a pretty good one! That's definitely a "Shoot The Messenger".
Never said you had to be aware of it...it is simply inherent in your political and likely social viewpoints.White supremacist tone? GMAB.lthumbsdown:
How can you be so blindly in favor of a political organization that only has the interests of the top 1% in mind? The Republican party is NOT you, and you're only helping to reinforce the power structures that work against you and your family all because you're plainly a hot-button voter (EXACTLY what the GOP strategists want).
I'm not saying the Democratic party/Barack Obama is an end-all-be-all world-saving Jesus H. Christ roadshow on wheels, but it sure is a good step in the right direction toward pulling the United States out of the death spiral it currently is in.
I don't think school choice is an issue for the top 1%. Medical Savings Accounts (MSAs) are not something that the top 1% needs. National security is not just for "the rich".
Keep in mind, B.O. tax hikes won't keep the rich from staying rich, but they will help prevent others from becoming rich.
Also, tort reform is something that will benefit everyone, except for trial lawyers.
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The republican "national security" policy is doing a damn good job of helping the top 1%. We are sending out boys off to die, not just by war but something like 16 vets a day are killing themselfs. This is the war that is making allot of people very rich, the defense contracting companies are taking your tax payer dollars and putting them in the hands of the rich. The right wing in this country is using the poor to fight a war funded by tax payers, under false pretenses and lies to make rich people richer.
Obama also wants to raise taxes for the rich and make them paying there fair share, not to gouge the poor, dollar for dollar the top1% pay FAR less in taxes than the middle class.
So what is "poor" and how exactly are they getting gouged?
Really. I don't want to confuse this issue with real numbers, but...
The share of federal income taxes paid by the top 1% increased from 37.42% in 2000 to 39.89% in 2006.
The share paid by the top 5% increased to 60.14%
The share paid by the top 50% increased to 97.01%
The other half of the country only paid 2.99% of federal income tax revenue.
So how much should "the rich" pay?
Trickle down economics do not work.
Since you're so handy with the numbers, what was the share of national income that the top 1% made in 2000 compared to 2006? Any idea?
Also, I hate to have to point this out to every Republican mouthpiece that walks by that comparing income tax numbers by themselves is intentionally deceiving. That never stops you guys from doing it, but still...
Again, how much should "the rich" pay? They already shoulder the majority of burden.
BTW, trickle down does work. Just look at economic numbers from the 2+ decades of the Reagan Revolution.
"A rising tide lifts all boats" - JFK
"The two Great Partisan Divides combine to suggest that, if history is a guide, an Obama victory in November would lead to faster economic growth with less inequality, while a McCain victory would lead to slower economic growth with more inequality."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/business/31view.html?em
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/business/31view.html?em
Oh please, if you take a little closer look at the Reagan years you'll notice our national debt soaring, as it has in the past 8 years.
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Believe me, there is no way that I will defend Bush's budgets. Far to big.
Interesting though, in all of these recent threads and postings we all talk about the prez as if he is a dicator. No mention of Congress. Remember, the executive branch does not spend a dime. Congress holds the purse-strings. Do you see anything interesting in your graph WRT repubs as a congressional majority?
Interesting though, in all of these recent threads and postings we all talk about the prez as if he is a dicator. No mention of Congress. Remember, the executive branch does not spend a dime. Congress holds the purse-strings. Do you see anything interesting in your graph WRT repubs as a congressional majority?
Oh please, if you take a little closer look at the Reagan years you'll notice our national debt soaring, as it has in the past 8 years.
Cost of living is going up and wages are not, as well as jobs being lost. It's actually pretty simple, People getting fired all over the place, and stuff is more expensive. Gas prices have more than doubled since we invaded Iraq, that is a big hit on the working class. Housing prices went through the roof (that hurt rich people to but poor people are feeling it allot more) As the economy worsens many huge awefull corporations start doing better. Walmart is doing GREAT right now, and Oil companies are continuing to record record profits. American industry is in the ****ter and we are out sourcing jobs, the trade defecate is absolutely insane. People forget though that most of those outsourced jobs are with American owned companies. The Rich people in America are taking American jobs, sending them over seas to save money and increase profits.This is not only putting an American out of a job, but sending that much American money overseas, and out of our economy. Not to mention this war that is largely funded by CHINA, remember we are barrowing money to fight in Iraq, and right now out biggest lender of money is china.[/QUOTE]
When the top 1% control 39.7% of the financial wealth in this country and the top 20% control 91.2% of the wealth then I tend to think they are not paying there fair share, the rich should be paying a higher percent then the poor, a MUCH higher percent.
Reaganomics does not work. It has been proven over and over again.
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So, JFK's quote and his tax ideas are incorrect as well?
You mentioned the Reagan years, specifically. Reaganomics does not work. Pretty much every single economist (besides those responsible for the program) will agree.
Tax cuts work every time they are tried. (Ie, they raise more revenue, not less). One of the biggest problems with Pres. Reagan's time in office, was the Dem congress reneged on their promise on spending (growth) cuts.
Any thoughts?
Nice try, but you cannot peg the problems of Reaganomics on the congress. It was Reagan and his economic advisers that came up with and implemented the problem. I spent 2 years studying this exact program.
The entire Reaganomics policy was based on deficit spending, which has been proven to NOT WORK. Period. End of story.
You need to do some research before you simply parrot support for the Republican party.
The 4 year avg after this plan was enacted saw the GDP FALL by 1%.
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knew there was a reason I had you on my ignore list. never mind.
Nice try. You should attempt to use a non-biased source next time. You know, like properly researched academic findings.
Everything you've listed provides a windfall in some way shape or form for those in power and with most of the country's money. There's a reason it's "good" for you. I should also mention that school choice was voted DOWN by a referendum in Utah, the most conservative state in the nation.
You've completely ignored the increasingly huge income gap between the haves and the have-nots.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/09/news/economy/incomegap/index.htm
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You haven't been keeping up with economics if you think Reagan's financial policies helped our economy...that just kind of goes without saying.
Not only that, but when provided with empirical data, he clearly ignores it and tries to implement straw man arguments to sway attention away from it.
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That's funny. Mine has empirical data as well. Care to refute it? Or is your casting aspersions on it sufficient for you?
It is completely unreliable (as are the conclusions drawn from it) when provided by a self proclaimed right wing think tank.
Funny, with the level of religous intolerance in this place, that you mention Utah. If the vote had gone the other way, I'm sure you wouldn't say it was because of the "idiot Mormon" voters, right?
Again, school choice is not to help the "super rich". If it were able to help those in the inner-city would you be for it? If yes, then you are out of step with the Dems who are in lock-step with the NEA.
Good to see you completely ducked defending Reaganomics! You're starting to take after N8, are you sure you didn't study under his tutelage?
I don't march lockstep with Democrats on much...are you another of the O'Reilly cocksuckers that has to lump everyone into a political viewpoint in order to find some vague, Vicodin-addled ground to stand on? The NEA is bullsh!t, but we're getting away from the main point of this thread:
There are bags of hammers with more cognitive ability than you.
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The bill would have specifically benefitted a large number of Republican legislators in Utah that just so happened to be in the business of (shoddy) private school construction, not to mention provided public funding for essentially unregulated schools (religious, etc).wikipedia said:
I don't march lockstep with Democrats on much...are you another of the O'Reilly cocksuckers that has to lump everyone into a political viewpoint in order to find some vague, Vicodin-addled ground to stand on? The NEA is bullsh!t, but we're getting away from the main point of this thread:
There are bags of hammers with more cognitive ability than you.
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"Yes Mr. Medvedev, my VP will be over to negotiate the new SALT III nuclear treaty in another couple weeks once she's certain that you're not going to be sexist and mean. This is also going to give her time to prepare herself as well. Oh, and would you mind sending over the questions you're going to ask her in advance? She's not real learn'd on this subject..."
--Pres McCain, 3/1/09
fess up: you're actually on assignment trying to extract child support from obama's deadbeat dad, aren't you?
You asked if there's ever been any kind of resolution of abortion (and/or guns) in this forum. I suggest that the link provides the tools for both sides of the argument at least come to terms and develop a respectful understanding (but still disagreement) with the fundamental ideologies AND specific implementations proposed by both. That's the closest we will get to resolution, and certainly a much more fruitful discussion than the black/white ideological bull**** you keep firing out.
Thanks you for pointing out the growing problem. As proven by the fact that the upper percentiles recieved the LARGEST tax cuts over those same years, how do you explain the phenomenon you posted? The above is because of the growing wealth gap. If we didn't have such a drastically increasing gap, you wouldn't see that same distribution. Tilting the progressive tax to more favor the lower 90% will drastically improve the ability of lower and middle class families to lift themselves up an economic class and contribute more to the federal budget.
Like Warren Buffet said, giving 3,100 lower/middle income families an extra $1,000 will have a much greater positive impact on the economy than giving him an addition $310M (which, for the math inhibited, is 100x the cost of option A).
So did Reagan cause a revolution or not? MUYFM.
Charter schools - this one is close to home. Not my field but enough of my friends and associates are deep in it for me to weigh the real facts. School vouchers crush school districts. You think those private schools can really handle the full load of EVERY CHILD, in the case that a district went to a comprehensive voucher program. Like charter schools, that system only seems to work because private schools can cherry pick their students, leaving the lower percentile of students (who I would hope you want to be productive members of society someday) abandoned in schools in a downward spiral of caring for the toughest students with ever decreasing resources. They looks good on paper, because those schools inevitably outperform the average, but it's artificial and deceiving. Just pray that you don't have a hard-working but below-average test-scoring child.
MSA - I'm working closely with a health insurance provider on this very subject right now. I also signed up for an MSA, myself, this year (from my previous PPO) as an experiment. This is one of those cases where everyone miscalculated the consumer. These accounts have looked great for the first 2 years they've been available, because people DON'T go to the doctor. They save up their maladies until something big hits, and they have no choice but to use the deductible, and then the take insurance companies to town with the 0% copayment that follows. You will see these accounts break and need to be tremendously restructured in the next 5 years. I'm a case in point. I didn't touch my deductible until I ruptured my achilles 3 weeks ago. Now, in addition to the expensive surgery my Insurer has to cover, I'm cashing in on every specialist treatment I can fit in between now and the end of the year and I won't pay a cent.
This is what happens when you're so in love with the idea of a free-market solution and more consumer responsibility and choice that you forget to think through your solutions. Lazy thinking is believing that because it's a free market it will cure itself... the reality is if you set up the "free market" (which is really a controlled trade space, not truly free) with the wrong rules, some groups will game it and others will lose badly.