No, no. This added chain noise would happen, on other bikes, when either messing w/ chain lengths or trying to rely on B-Limit for cassette swaps. ...never have tried a 52t CR. You like those??Read that twice and still confiused.
Are you saying you're using SRAM XO (T type mtb cassette, chain and deraileur) on a roadbike with a 39/52 double chainset?
Funny thing, syntax. I saw 'Wedding Crashers' accidentally. I bought a ticket for 'Grizzly Man' and went into the wrong theater. After an hour, I figured I was in the wrong theater, but I kept waiting. Cuz that’s the thing about bear attacks… they come when you least expect it.Some extraordinarily strange syntax going on in there!
Well I didn't read it all and it makes no sense...I just read your response and man I am all over the place with confusion...I'm afraid to read his and compound my confusion at my age...Read that twice and still confiused.
Are you saying you're using SRAM XO (T type mtb cassette, chain and deraileur) on a roadbike with a 39/52 double chainset?
Haven't ridden one since the 90s when taller gearing (and lower cadences) was the norm. I rode way more and was waaay fitter and lighter back then so honestly didn't ever mind having a 52/42 chainset paired with an 11-23 cassette. ignorance being bliss. (I still don't like big sprocket jumps in my gearing though)...never have tried a 52t CR. You like those??
Guessing now you maybe meant sprockets. But no SRAM cassette I know of has 53t nevermind a ridiculous jump from 39 to 53. So fuck knows what you're on about?once dropping to the 39T CR from the 53T.
Dunno about anyone else but I'm dying to see this 12speed XX equipped trials bike with 42/53 chainset.
Not the way I ride.That Fox sticker
*chefs kiss*
12/10. Would use as pub bike
Beggars can't be choosers.Not sure if your Jubilee clips or fork leg extensions are my favourite
Well, better than an anvil.This looks better than an evil
So shit rims, stupid aluminum spokes, annoying hubs, that have alot of drag and poor sealingthe non dh rims are pretty thin
Ive bent back a few.
What size? If 27.5 Ive got some bits if you need them
LOLSo shit rims, stupid aluminum spokes, annoying hubs, that have alot of drag and poor sealing
And all that adds up to every broke bike persons dream wheels nice.
Ok, but have you even been to the Titanic in a carbon fiber sub?You can thummy down me all you want. I've ridden most wheel setups out there and broken quite a few of them..as in walking out, not being annoyed by a dented rim. A dinged rim wall on an easily rebuilt wheel is nothing once you've knocked out half a wheel of spokes or counted your crushed carbon rims on two hands.
I really think we should be open to new ideas on this...Ok, but have you even been to the Titanic in a carbon fiber sub?
the hose clamps really tie the room togetherCoolest bike I've seen on here in a while!
Thank you for the information.Just fyi, I rode one of those for 5 years like that. It never grew.
Retired the frame after a headtube crack years later
Every one of those frames developed small cracks where yours did. I dont know of a single failure there and dt was honest with me about those.
You can certainly run another bead over it too.
Its a little bit of a design flaw...big rigid cnc part welded to a tube in a heavy load part of the frame. The tube flexes, the machined block doesnt
if you're over the bike, then hang it on a wall (that's where one of mine is )Thank you for the information.
I have definitely been conditioned to equate a crack in an aluminum frame being the end of its life, as it is challenging to properly repair. On the other hand when I saw that crack I did immediately question its severity and figured a total failure probably wouldn’t end in dentistry.
However, at the beginning of this season I was considering retiring it anyhow as it feels like a kids bike now
Yep! It is destined for wall art! It’s the only frame that I have had that is handsome enough for that. The truth is I really like the bike, the suspension is brilliant, it’s fast and super stiff. Buts it’s 1.5” too short and the 26” wheels are punishing on my ageing self. I would love a modernized one, I think. Too bad this isn’t really an option.if you're over the bike, then hang it on a wall (that's where one of mine is )
If you keep riding it definitely put some marks on it to track growth. But just know that they all did that.
Likewise. I polished mine up and it sits over my workbench.Yep! It is destined for wall art! It’s the only frame that I have had that is handsome enough for that.
Also likewise.I’m not sure what I will do about getting a new DH bike together, I am having a hard time justifying the expense for the first time. The 2023 bike glut didn’t seem to impact the DH market and most my shit isn’t compatible moving forward.
this one's kind of a weird spot to do thatIf you really have a pair, drilling holes at the end of a crack can prevent it from propagating.
Obviously a small hole but the radius of even a small hole prevents the stress risers that allow cracks to grow. The risk is not getting the hole aligned properly.this one's kind of a weird spot to do that
so much so that it might be beyond "a pair" and into "failed IQ test"
just because of the location with regards to frame flex, I'd be terrified of making spider websObviously a small hole but the radius of even a small hole prevents the stress risers that allow cracks to grow. The risk is not getting the hole aligned properly.
A friend once pointed out a crack completely through my headtube after a long steep and chunky descent. I almost puked.just because of the location with regards to frame flex, I'd be terrified of making spider webs
I lucked out with some head tube cracks on both of the ones I owned, so I didn't have to worry about it.
If you weld it, the welding kills the frame's heat treat.Just fyi, I rode one of those for 5 years like that. It never grew.
Retired the frame after a headtube crack years later
Every one of those frames developed small cracks where yours did. I dont know of a single failure there and dt was honest with me about those.
You can certainly run another bead over it too.
Its a little bit of a design flaw...big rigid cnc part welded to a tube in a heavy load part of the frame. The tube flexes, the machined block doesnt
If you weld it, the welding kills the frame's heat treat.
I think it would be hard to come up with a scientific answer to the question of which is stronger - running a bead over that crack assuming the weld is not followed up with heat treatment, or leaving it in the heat treated state, with the crack.
Here is a quick blurb on the rough idea, towards the bottom the author indicates a roughly 40% loss of strength from welding on a heat treated aluminum alloy:
2.1. Aluminum strengthening and welding The basic state of high purity aluminum is an annealed condition that exhibits low yield strength and high ductility. Producing a structural aluminum alloy requires strengthening which typically also reduces the ductility. Strengthening can be achieved by solid solution hardening followed by precipitation hardening and heat treatment for heat-treatable alloys (e.g. 2xxx, 6xxx, 7xxx series) or cold working for work-hardened alloys (e.g. 5xxx series). A typical heat treatment involves heating to 450–530 C (depending on the alloy) followed by quenching to obtain supersaturated solid solution. Quenching can be achieved by cooling in water, oil, air or salt-bath, and it produces high strength and lower ductility material. To improve the ductility and formability, the material is aged at room temperature (i.e. natural aging) or at elevated temperature (i.e. artificial aging). The aging temperature and time depend on the alloy and desired properties. The work-hardened alloys derive their strength primarily from cold working, which is achieved by rolling or tractioning of structural shapes (Mazzolani [13]). Similarly to heat treatment, cold working leads to increased strength and reduced ductility. Heating the aluminum alloy to the temperature of 200–350 C or higher, which occurs during welding, tends to reverse the effects of heat treatment or cold working, returning the alloy to its original state. In the case of non-heat-treatable alloys, this is basically an annealed condition (lower strength and higher ductility). Welding the heat-treatable alloys typically reduces their strength to a level slightly above the annealed condition. This is illustrated in Fig. 1 [7]. Fig. 1 indicates that welding can lead to approximately 20% strength reduction for non-heat-treatable alloys, and almost 40% for heat-treatable alloys. From the point of view of fracture toughness, the strength reduction is often offset by significant increase in ductility. The loss of strength leads to localization of the plastic deformation in the weld and/or HAZ, which has a profound consequence for behavior of welded aluminum structures. As previously noted, similar behavior is observed in martensitic steels
From anecdotal experience, on a homemade al frame, I had it heat treated, but then made some changes to the front triangle with a lot of welding. I didn't re-heat treat the front triangle after modifications, and rode it. It worked for a while, and I avoided the dentist, but it was pretty soft, and eventually got replaced with a new bike when I didn't feel like risking it any more.
I mean you already know, but one of my old Banshee frames (7005 T6) cracked on the welds on the gussets at the bottom of the downtube. Took it to work and they slid it off to their precision aluminum welder.If you weld it, the welding kills the frame's heat treat.
I think it would be hard to come up with a scientific answer to the question of which is stronger - running a bead over that crack assuming the weld is not followed up with heat treatment, or leaving it in the heat treated state, with the crack.
Here is a quick blurb on the rough idea, towards the bottom the author indicates a roughly 40% loss of strength from welding on a heat treated aluminum alloy:
2.1. Aluminum strengthening and welding The basic state of high purity aluminum is an annealed condition that exhibits low yield strength and high ductility. Producing a structural aluminum alloy requires strengthening which typically also reduces the ductility. Strengthening can be achieved by solid solution hardening followed by precipitation hardening and heat treatment for heat-treatable alloys (e.g. 2xxx, 6xxx, 7xxx series) or cold working for work-hardened alloys (e.g. 5xxx series). A typical heat treatment involves heating to 450–530 C (depending on the alloy) followed by quenching to obtain supersaturated solid solution. Quenching can be achieved by cooling in water, oil, air or salt-bath, and it produces high strength and lower ductility material. To improve the ductility and formability, the material is aged at room temperature (i.e. natural aging) or at elevated temperature (i.e. artificial aging). The aging temperature and time depend on the alloy and desired properties. The work-hardened alloys derive their strength primarily from cold working, which is achieved by rolling or tractioning of structural shapes (Mazzolani [13]). Similarly to heat treatment, cold working leads to increased strength and reduced ductility. Heating the aluminum alloy to the temperature of 200–350 C or higher, which occurs during welding, tends to reverse the effects of heat treatment or cold working, returning the alloy to its original state. In the case of non-heat-treatable alloys, this is basically an annealed condition (lower strength and higher ductility). Welding the heat-treatable alloys typically reduces their strength to a level slightly above the annealed condition. This is illustrated in Fig. 1 [7]. Fig. 1 indicates that welding can lead to approximately 20% strength reduction for non-heat-treatable alloys, and almost 40% for heat-treatable alloys. From the point of view of fracture toughness, the strength reduction is often offset by significant increase in ductility. The loss of strength leads to localization of the plastic deformation in the weld and/or HAZ, which has a profound consequence for behavior of welded aluminum structures. As previously noted, similar behavior is observed in martensitic steels
From anecdotal experience, on a homemade al frame, I had it heat treated, but then made some changes to the front triangle with a lot of welding. I didn't re-heat treat the front triangle after modifications, and rode it. It worked for a while, and I avoided the dentist, but it was pretty soft, and eventually got replaced with a new bike when I didn't feel like risking it any more.
plus moar holes = moar speed. amirite?Its proven, holes stop cracks. If crack continues, drill moar holes.
or....not far enough?If your bikes starts to whistle, you have gone too far.