[ohio]

Semi-internal monologue (this make get no responses):

I was lamenting McCain's decision not to contest Bush, but thinking back to something McCain said when questioned about his moderate stance on issues and relationship with the Democrats. He listed off his stances on key issues that just wouldn't fly with the left, and mostly don't work for me... and at the time I thought all of a sudden "huh, I guess I WOULDN'T have voted for him." However, I think I've changed my mind again and I realized it is because certain issues I am simply willing to concede at this point for the sake of having a trust-worthy, uncorrupt president who will act intelligently in the interests of national safety and stem the damage done in the last 4 years.

These issues include:
1. Abortion
2. Same Sex Marriage
3. Social Security Reform
4. Gun Control

If I think of any more, I'll post them. These are all core issues that are important to me, and I feel adamantly about (though rarely to the extremes of left lefties), but I would gladly give them up for someone who I didn't feel was sucking the economy dry and breeding terrorists... issues I think will cause us far more long-term damage than any of the above (even SocSec).

 

[Toshi]

as long as congress wasn't overwhelmingly aligned with the president's viewpoint i'd gladly concede those issues as well.

 

[Westy]

I liked McCain when he ran in 2000. And I liked the way he spoke his mind until recently. He seems to have turned into a Bush lap dog recently despite all the chitty things Bush did to him in 2000. I guess he is just trying to get the GOP faithful on his side for a 2008 shot but I have lost a little respect for him.

Anyway issues I could put aside:

Gun Control
Tax cuts(assuming they go in hand with responsible spending)
Abortion
Gay Marriage(marriage is stupid, gay or straight)
Cuba
Anything a Polititian did 20 years ago or more

 

[N8 v2.0]

McCain says he is a conservative and has no interest in the Democratic Party what so ever.

Items I'd conceed if I was temped to vote Dim:

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

....Damn... I can't think of anything.

Perhaps if the Democratic Canidate was another Harry S. Truman.

edit:

1. I could care or less if gays were able to marry or not.
2. I do support abortion.
3. Medicare Reform to help older retired Americans

 

[dante]

the core issues I *won't* compromise on:

1) abortion
2) defecit spending
3) school funding
4) comprehensive worldwide foreign policy
5) environment

core issues I *would* compromise on:
1) civil liberties
2) military spending (as long as does not violate #2 above)
3) nation-building
4) social security (I kinda like the idea of private SS accts, but then I've got 40 years till retirement)
5) perscription drugs
6) outsourcing (hey, our stuff's cheaper, right?)
7) affirmative action

Hmmmm. Just realized I'm a selfish democrat. Care about the issues that affect me, but don't really give a hoot about stuff that doesn't (AA, SS, perscription drugs, etc).

I just hate Bush b/c he has been one of the most untruthful presidents we've ever had. Compassionate Conservatism and bipartisan support gave way to Conservatism and Christian Coalition support. No Child Left Behind was underfunded, a "humble foreign policy" is now laughable, tax cuts originally brought about b/c of the great state of the economy became tax cuts to help an ailing economy, etc. Iraq was about 9/11, then it was about WMD, then it was... who knows. Cheney got up on the talk shows not too long ago and stated that there was no evidence that Saddam *didn't* have a hand in 9/11. Maybe I'm a political idealist, expecting politicians to actually keep their word when they get into office, and I'll be disappointed when Kerry wins and drags us into another 4 more years of an Iraqi quagmire, but then I'll vote for someone else. Cycle them through till we get somebody honest and who's not going to have secret meetings with the energy CEOs before determing our energy policy... :mumble:

</rant>

yes. I want someone trustworthy in office, and GWB definitely does NOT fit that bill...

 

[Westy]

....Damn... I can't think of anything.

Perhaps if the Democratic Canidate was another Harry S. Truman.

edit:

1. I could care or less if gays were able to marry or not.
2. I do support abortion.
3. Medicare Reform to help older retired Americans

C'mon N8. I'm sure if there was a candidate that offered to abolish taxes, enslave the poor, bomb anyone who did not kiss the American flag but wanted to legalize abortion you would vote for him.

 

[dante]

McCain says he is a conservative and has no interest in the Democratic Party what so ever.

Items I'd conceed if I was temped to vote Dim:

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

....Damn... I can't think of anything.

Perhaps if the Democratic Canidate was another Harry S. Truman.

edit:

1. I could care or less if gays were able to marry or not.
2. I do support abortion.
3. Medicare Reform to help older retired Americans

so N8, you're in favor of tax-funded logging in public forrests, in favor of teacher led prayer in schools, tax cuts mainly going to the top 1% of Americans, huge budget defecits, cutting programs like Head Start (preschool in poor neighborhoods), underfunding education policies (GWB's own)? I've very rarely heard of anyone toeing the line that much...

 

[N8 v2.0]

I can never vote for anyone who's running for president who thinks the US is the problem and not the solution.

 

[Tenchiro]

I can never vote for anyone who's running for president who thinks the US is the problem and not the solution.

Not the US, just the people in charge at the moment.

 

[Slugman]

I can never vote for anyone who's running for president who thinks the US is the problem and not the solution.

Good, then you can still vote for Kerry... since he thinks the current administration is the problem.

Nice BS Right wing GOP spin ...

 

[ohio]

I can never vote for anyone who's running for president who thinks the US is the problem and not the solution.

I'm going to start counting all of the parrotted untruths you've swallowed hook line and sinker. (GullibleCount++)

Seriously, I'll say this as many times as I need to: When a politician says something negative about his/her opposition, chances are it's untrue. If you believe it you're likely an idiot, and if you repeat it you're likely a liar as well.

 

[N8 v2.0]

I'm going to start counting all of the parrotted untruths you've swallowed hook line and sinker. (GullibleCount++)

Seriously, I'll say this as many times as I need to: When a politician says something negative about his/her opposition, chances are it's untrue. If you believe it you're likely an idiot, and if you repeat it you're likely a liar as well.

you're likely an idiot, and if you repeat it you're likely a liar as well?

 

[Changleen]

N8, can you just answer a question that some one asks you for once? Earlier in this thread you actually typed something for yourself and put forward your views, however right wing they may be. When people questioned you on the implications of these however, you just return to 'stupid clown' mode.

Please, just answer a ****ing question. Most of the time your sig is longer than your 'contribution'.

 

[Changleen]

I can never vote for anyone who's running for president who thinks the US is the problem and not the solution.

This is a pretty stupid statement. So you're saying that whatever the US does is NEVER wrong? Or even if it is, you wouldn't ever admit that it was?

Most people grow out of that when they turn 3 or 4. Why would you even have a reason to act like that anyway? There's nothing wrong with being wrong once in a while. Everyone is wrong every now and then. It's a fact of life. Not admitting it, not learning from your mistakes is possibly the stupidist thing you could ever condone or practice, but that's exactly what you're doing.

So here is my question for you: Why are you so scared of admitting the US might be wrong about some things?

 

[N8 v2.0]

This is a pretty stupid statement. So you're saying that whatever the US does is NEVER wrong? Or even if it is, you wouldn't ever admit that it was?

Most people grow out of that when they turn 3 or 4. Why would you even have a reason to act like that anyway? There's nothing wrong with being wrong once in a while. Everyone is wrong every now and then. It's a fact of life. Not admitting it, not learning from your mistakes is possibly the stupidist thing you could ever condone or practice, but that's exactly what you're doing.

So here is my question for you: Why are you so scared of admitting the US might be wrong about some things?

I am hereby invoking the Jetta Rule on your ass...

 

[Changleen]

And, presumably, still wanting that shiny red toy truck for your 4th birthday...

 

[Andyman_1970]

Since I have not posted in a while, this thread seems to have some interest to me.

Issues I would not conceed on:

1. Abortion - all life is sacred
2. Gun Control - we have enough laws as it is (and no I'm not a member of NRA nor will I ever be)
3. War on Terrorism
4. Friendly position toward Israel

Issue I would conceed on:

1. Same sex marriage - Christians need to get their (our) act together on this marriage thing. Our divorce rate is higher or the same as everyone else, so what gives us the "platform" to spout "do's and don'ts". The whole "deal with the log in your eye before you address the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye" comes to mind. But for the record I do not agree with same sex marriage, but the Christian community in the US has "attacked" this issue from the wrong point of view IMO.

2. SS reform

3. Tax cuts or lack there of

4. Defense spending

5. War in Iraq

 

[N8 v2.0]

Since I have not posted in a while, this thread seems to have some interest to me.

Issues I would not conceed on:

1. Abortion - all life is sacred
2. Gun Control - we have enough laws as it is (and no I'm not a member of NRA nor will I ever be)
3. War on Terrorism
4. Friendly position toward Israel

Issue I would conceed on:

1. Same sex marriage - Christians need to get their (our) act together on this marriage thing. Our divorce rate is higher or the same as everyone else, so what gives us the "platform" to spout "do's and don'ts". The whole "deal with the log in your eye before you address the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye" comes to mind. But for the record I do not agree with same sex marriage, but the Christian community in the US has "attacked" this issue from the wrong point of view IMO.

2. SS reform

3. Tax cuts or lack there of

4. Defense spending

5. War in Iraq

Unfortunatley your #4 above is in conflict with #'s 4 & 5 below it.

 

[Andyman_1970]

Unfortunatley your #4 above is in conflict with #'s 4 & 5 below it.

Oooppsssss..........

 

[Changleen]

Unfortunatley your #4 above is in conflict with #'s 4 & 5 below it.

No it's not.

Defence spending in the US is $355 billion in 2K3, compared to about 5-10% of that to support Israel each year.. It's a tiny part so how is it in conflict?

And what the fvck does the war in Iraq have to do with Israel?