[toodles]

Preaching to the converted here but realised that Maxxis EXO casings aren't any better than their single ply offerings for either pinch or cut resistance. Just chucked on a DD Aggressor (1060g in 27.5") to try and stop wasting everyone's time fixing flats every ride. Fingers crossed the puncture resistance is good and worth the weight penalty.

As an aside, has anyone had any experience with Mitas tyres, specifically the Kratos? I'd never heard of them, but they popped up in a review here - http://flowmountainbike.com/tests/tested-mitas-kratos-tubeless-supra-tyres/

Interesting that they offer a 100-day sidewall guarantee. I dunno what they cost elsewhere, but they're similarly priced to the DD Maxxis stuff here.

 

[kidwoo]

NO!

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

what are we looking at woo?

 

[Toshi]

That's the Kratos.

 

[kidwoo]

what are we looking at woo?

Not much.

 

[SkaredShtles]

NO!

Come on, man... who doesn't love lots of little, ineffectual knobs?!?

 

[StiHacka]

Come on, man... who doesn't love lots of little, ineffectual knobs?!?

They are probably great on FlowMountainBikes(TM).

 

[slimshady]

Ah, the old Schwalbe approach: "Let's throw in as many different knobs as we can, some of them are guaranteed to bite into the dust!".

 

[Fool]

NO!

This the new Kenda Bokeh?

 

[toodles]

Come on, man... who doesn't love lots of little, ineffectual knobs?!?

Meh for a rear tyre on a trail bike I'm not too worried. I've run Ardent races which are pretty useless for traction as well and they're fine for all but the stupidest, gravelly climbs. A lot of where I ride is very sandy or dusty and gravelly and a bit of oversteer is more fun and safer anyway.

They do the Highlander (http://www.mitasbiketyres.com/en/products/bicycle-tyres/extreme/highlander/) with the same sidewall warranty if you want something with more teeth for loam or proper hookup I guess.

I'm more impressed by the warranty to be honest. That would have saved me some coin recently when I sliced open an Ardent on the 3rd ride.

 

[Toshi]

They do the Highlander (http://www.mitasbiketyres.com/en/products/bicycle-tyres/extreme/highlander/) with the same sidewall warranty if you want something with more teeth for loam or proper hookup I guess.

Category: EXTREME
Construction: DH Supra Max
Technology: TSS + TEXTRA

Can't tell if spoof ad or real.





(EXTREME!)

 

[SkaredShtles]

Category: EXTREME
Construction: DH Supra Max
Technology: TSS + TEXTRA

Can't tell if spoof ad or real.





(EXTREME!)

Would be way better if the tech was ASS + SEXTRA

 

[Da Peach]

Well, I find the compound coding/descriptions useless. Take maxxis. I get that 3C has 3 compounds, and that there are 3 different versions of 3C.

But WTF is "dual"?

Well, lets consult the website:
http://www.maxxis.com/catalog/tire-506-121-aggressor#sizes

Compound type: "Dual"

Okaayyyyy. Well, what's that mean? Hard? Soft? Let's check the website again:
http://www.maxxis.com/other-bicycle-information/bicycle-technology/

so
dual, unless triple
and the ST uses 2, where the 3C use 3
but, there may be other duals which are not illustrated
fucking retarded

 

[SkaredShtles]

Just make sure to get the DD.

 

[Toshi]

Well, I find the compound coding/descriptions useless. Take maxxis. I get that 3C has 3 compounds, and that there are 3 different versions of 3C.

But WTF is "dual"?

Well, lets consult the website:
http://www.maxxis.com/catalog/tire-506-121-aggressor#sizes

Compound type: "Dual"

Okaayyyyy. Well, what's that mean? Hard? Soft? Let's check the website again:
http://www.maxxis.com/other-bicycle-information/bicycle-technology/

so
dual, unless triple
and the ST uses 2, where the 3C use 3
but, there may be other duals which are not illustrated
fucking retarded

I went with EXOs this time. We'll see if this comes to bite me in the ass. I also went with 3C, as per your confusing mapping out of that, and Max Grip up front, which seems to be the evolution of their Super Tacky/Slow Reezay bit from way back when? or perhaps something different. Who knows?

 

[kidwoo]

dual compound is soft sides, hard middle. They're pretty good actually.


Any 3c is yes, 3 compounds, one hard base to keep knob shape, and then a softer side over the center. Slow reazays were just one soft compound all around. Super tacky is now just soft gooey awesomeness that doesn't shed knobs like they did back in 1836

 

[toodles]

dual compound is soft sides, hard middle. They're pretty good actually.

From memory the dual compound is super hard middle, slightly less hard sides. Like nowhere near as soft a compound as the 3C or the Super Tacky has for side knobs.

 

[kidwoo]

From memory the dual compound is super hard middle, slightly less hard sides. Like nowhere near as soft a compound as the 3C or the Super Tacky has for side knobs.

Correct.

For versions they don't make a full on 60a durometer, that's the closest thing.

If I had to guess I'd say they're probably 60a middle, something like 55a sides

 

[SkaredShtles]

@AngryMetalsmith ought to have a look at this thread and count the EXO casing issues documented herein.

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

@AngryMetalsmith ought to have a look at this thread and count the EXO casing issues documented herein.

Maybe you should learn how to ride rocks.

 

[SkaredShtles]

Maybe you should learn how to ride rocks.

Is there more to it than just go full speed through 'em? If so... yeah. I probably should learn.

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

Is there more to it than just go full speed through 'em? If so... yeah. I probably should learn.

Oh yeah, way more. There are probably as many techniques for riding rocks as there are for cornering.

My personal favorite is picking one rock to boost off of, skim the tops of the next, and boost after the next big fork compression. Repeat this a few times in a rock garden and you can haul ass while barely making contact.

Oh, and I do not recommend this on wet rocks or in the rain.

 

[kidwoo]

^Oh stop it


SMASH!

figure out the tires later

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

^Oh stop it


SMASH!

figure out the tires later

Nope, I'm not a fat downhiller on a plow bike anymore and will gleefully take advantage of being lighter and smoother. That is, of course, until my battered knees give out and I'm relegated to wagon wheel bikes on cider trails, complaining about the ache and pain dujour.

 

[kidwoo]

Nope, I'm not a fat downhiller on a plow bike anymore

I hate to do it.


But you just earned it.

One Gee for you

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

I hate to do it.


But you just earned it.

One Gee for you

View attachment 125276

Uuugghhh...

You have a life size print of that don't you ? Possibly autographed ?

 

[kidwoo]

Ask me where his signature is

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

Ask me where his signature is

Somethings should remain a mystery.

And no I don't need to see a Gee map of Hawaii.

 

[jstuhlman]

I've run exos for years. I ride in stupid, rocky, narrow gully'd out chit on the regular. I'm light, but I'm a hack-ish. Definitely no rock-surfing Houdini like @AngryMetalsmith. Mostly if I'm able to look far enough ahead to find a rock to launch off of, I'm landing on the one below it. I've punctured/torn tires in the tread area multiple times, burped/cased and flatted multiple times, but never seriously slashed a sidewall. Whatever . . . might try the HR2 DD 2.3 in the back next, since they still offer it in 2.3, even though I usually run a 2.4 . . . maybe will be a bit less flexy?

 

[SkaredShtles]

I think that we're gonna have to conclude that the rocks here in the Rocky Mountains are... different than the Southern Rocks you guys are riding.

NTTAWWT.

 

[jstuhlman]

I think that we're gonna have to conclude that the rocks here in the Rocky Mountains are... different than the Southern Rocks you guys are riding.

NTTAWWT.

probably so . . . this is typical of the fun parts of the wilson creek part of pisgah - rider is phil kmetz, semi-pro dh dude. watch from 7:30 or so onward . . .

 

[Da Peach]

I've been using the Schwobbly gravity casing up front (I forget which compound, but it's sticky), and have switched to a 3C maxterra dhrII out back.

Seems to work.

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

I've run exos for years. I ride in stupid, rocky, narrow gully'd out chit on the regular. I'm light, but I'm a hack-ish. Definitely no rock-surfing Houdini like @AngryMetalsmith.

Hahaha. Outside of my profession, riding a bike is the only thing I'm smooth at (and that's relative). Seriously, I have zero athletic ability. Was never good at sports other than bmx as a kid. As an adult I'm a clumsy Ninja bumping into chairs, tables, cabinets, just trying to walk around the house. Maybe I'm some kind of trail savant once on the bike.

 

[Toshi]

probably so . . . this is typical of the fun parts of the wilson creek part of pisgah - rider is phil kmetz, semi-pro dh dude. watch from 7:30 or so onward . . .

Phil is a fun rider to watch. That gully looks crazy, too, getting down to pedal width! But that just doesn't look that rocky.

Try 1:08 in this one:

 

[SkaredShtles]

probably so . . . this is typical of the fun parts of the wilson creek part of pisgah - rider is phil kmetz, semi-pro dh dude. watch from 7:30 or so onward . . .

Dayum. Some of those rutted sections are DEEP.

 

[jstuhlman]

hard to see b/c of the shadow, @Toshi but I'll take your word for it. I've only ever ridden the bit of trail out there with "the wall" on it, so I don't have much perspective. not looking for a pissing contest about rox, but anyone with both pisgah and front range experience care to chime in? Just curious. Wish i had more pedal time out your way . . . everyone knows, though, that Cali Rox are probably the gnarliest, though, right?

@SkaredShtles - one of the fun things when you're in the wilderness here is that the trails are constantly changing. those ruts that are top-tube deep and pedal (if that) wide right now . . . were half that deep and twice as wide a year ago. I'm sure over time they'll fill in and go back in the other direction. Keeps you on your toes, for sure!

 

[kidwoo]

Stuff on the front range is more pointy and shale-ish.

If someone like skared shittles plows into them, he's putting his tires through more shit than pinning it in pisgah. Which makes him a better person really.

But pisgah is way more fun in general and you don't live in denver hell with all that ass shakin in the rockies and so hard to get to so you know.....your life is better.

 

[SkaredShtles]

Stuff on the front range is more pointy and shale-ish..

And pointy and sandstone-ish... and pointy and granite-ish.

But ain't nuthin' like Arizona. Fuck - those blokes got ROCKS. Nasty-assed rocks.

 

[Toshi]

Whose ass is shaking and all hard to get? Shared Skittles?!

 

[SkaredShtles]

Whose ass is shaking and all hard to get? Shared Skittles?!

I thought he was channeling PSP.