Good luck with the Control casing in the back.
What trail bike tire casings don't suck?
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Flimsy?
There aren't many rocks around here, mostly just roots and packed trails. I've never torn an Exo casing tire..
After another rash of cutting Maxxis EXO tires I measured the rim sidewall thickness of a Stans Arch at 1.84mm. Then measured a Mavic 721 at 3.64mm. What a difference. Combine that with where "wide" rims put that sharp edge it is starting to make sense why I cut these tires so easily. The old school 721 is pretty blunt and it's "narrow" width maybe keeps that cutting surface away from the tire sidewalls.
Thoughts?
I already passed my opinion. Sidewalls should be bubbly for MTB. Skinny sidewalls belong in the road.
Beware, the new Magic rims have thin sidewalls too now, at least the en827 I have: 1,5mm per side...
I'm looking at the DT Swiss E 512. Those have a 30mm outer and 25mm inner, hopefully giving a 2.5mm sidewall. Not sure were that is measured. Hopefully it has a rolled, blunt edge much like the older Mavic 721s.
E512 for you sir
I can't find the post anymore, I think it was in the DH tire thread, but it could be in this one too. But essentially, yeah, the farther apart the sidewalls are, the more prone to being cut and pinching they are. It has something to do with the sidewalls being more vertical instead of rounded, and being more exposed as a result.
Yep, that looks better than the knife edge of the Stan's. Sucks that I have to bear all this exploration at $100 a rim and $90 a tire. There are way too many variables to pick whats best for your setup and riding location/style. The broad generalities with which the bike industry shovels at the consumer is startling.
My thoughts are that mostly I told you had bad those rims suck.
To be fair though, mavic is completely at the other end of the spectrum of (way too thick and heavy) rims.
You left off bulletproof...My thoughts are that mostly I told you had bad those rims suck.
To be fair though, mavic is completely at the other end of the spectrum of (way too thick and heavy) rims.
I've been having good luck with E13's aluminum rims not tearing trail bike tires. Not a knife edge sidewall. Price is right @ $80 each.
Running the same rims on the big bike.
I like them, easy build, stay true, no tire issues.
Would bang again.
I've been running these on my trail bikes for the last 4 years. I've only trashed one rim and I haven't cut any tires.
Spank Oozy Trail 295 will be in the 2.5mm sidewall width range too. The main issue with those though is the stupid name. That you can't take off because the decals are under the clear coat.
hmmm... was just poking around their site a bit more, and the Race 33 seems like a very interesting rim: 28mm internal width (33mm external so one can assume the walls are 2.5mm thick) and comes in at 500g for a 650b rim. Plus there's a "Bearclaw edition", which is charcoal decals on black rim. So much more subdued... guess he doesn't really like the stupid name either. Kinda wish I'd seen these before getting my Arch MK3 and Flow EX combo...
CRC has the Wild Rock'r2 Gum-X on sale for $55 shipped in the US of A, I have one incoming.
#whathaveidonethistime
#whathaveidonethistime
Does a Magic Mary exist in a snakeskin casing, but in the Addix ultrasoft compound? I can't seem to find one...
I am currently loving the Vertstar, but I doubt I really need the Supergravity casing since it's on my front tire.
I've entered an event that will be teh hardz, and I'm hoping to shed a bit of weight. I'm on dual supergravity (front and back) tires at the moment. They work great, but gosh they're heavy.
I am currently loving the Vertstar, but I doubt I really need the Supergravity casing since it's on my front tire.
I've entered an event that will be teh hardz, and I'm hoping to shed a bit of weight. I'm on dual supergravity (front and back) tires at the moment. They work great, but gosh they're heavy.
I just ran a SuperGravity Ultrasoft Magic Mary for a 5 day enduro in NZ. In adverse conditions, I'd still run the Ultrasoft even if it was heavier. I'd take the grip and margin of safety, especially when exhausted any day. A supergravity option would be ideal - but if it doesn't exist I'd still run the Purple.
yeah, the vertstar kicks complete ass. I really don't want to sacrifice the grip, just hoping to save the weight. The Schwalbe site claims that the "soft" is softer than the "trailstar". I've never tried the trailstar though, so don't know how much less grippy the new soft would be compared to the old vertstar. Apparently there's about a 200g weight savings. Over 40km distance and 2000m of climbing, it might be noticeable, but I'm struggling to decide if it's worth a slight sacrifice in grip, though.
Yeah, a bit of a bummer. I'll just suck it up and stick with the heavier tire, methinks.
I've registered for the Gryphon enduro in Squamish on June 9th. Long course. Apparently it's an EWS qualifier event, so I expect to be completely shattered at the end of the day. I'm a bit worried about cutoff start times. I've managed rides about half the size in the last couple of weeks and held it together, but not so sure I'll still be able to ride with any sense after twice as much riding. I'd need some breaks and maybe some enduro-walking to make it.
Hence my desire to make it easier... But blowing a font tire probably isn't the best way to stay in one piece and finish either...it's 1/4 lb. SIUP, amirite?
Shopping around for fresh parts to have on hand. I'm up to about $500 on new tires, new cassette, new RD, new chain, new oval ring (because why not), and a super-bro enduro chain guide.
My drivetrain is going on 2 years old, so I'm due, and I'm resisting going full retard on an XTR shifter too... but that's another $130...
The Super gravity isn't going to kill you for that hey. Well it won't make or break you anyway. A shitty tyre will though.
My buddy from the Trans NZ is doing that one and I was going to come across for it, but will aim for the Trans BC instead. The locals will kill everyone on those trails haha.
Just run the purple SuperGravity imo - if the Squamish weather goes to hell, you'll be thankful for it. If conditions are bone dry, maybe - just maybe - opt for a faster rolling/lighter tyre. But murdering a sidewall on stage 5 is going to be a lot more frustrating than having to push a couple of steep sections on liasons.
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Yeah, I am fully going to have my ass handed to me, but that's okay. If I finish in the top 50% of my category, I'll be pretty damned pleased.
It's enough of an excuse for my wife to encourage me to get out and ride, so, it makes nothing but sense! Not landing on my face is probably a good idea too, so I just ordered up a couple of the super soft.
Haha, I have similar race goals.
Budget allowing, save them for the race. Or at least as close to that weekend as you can get - they don't last forever. Chuck them on for a few laps prior to the event to knock the shine off, but I wouldn't run them till a week before so you can enjoy maximum velcro action for the event.
Yeah, that's the plan. I bought two so I can put one on soonish because my current one is pretty toasted. The winter really beat the up. I think they got brittle as they froze and shredded pretty quickly. It will also be a decent test to see how the new compounds feel. I know I like the tire, so the second one won't go to waste, and will be uber fresh for "the big event" if I need it.
Tranz NZ?
If so I would like to offer my humble apologies for the post stage beers selection.
When I saw the riders were being offered Double Brown and Tui I was horrified!
Texted a few brewery owning mates to get them to step up and sponsor it next year.
For a race of that profile, would a DHF not be a better choice? You can get it lighter (in a 2.5 EXO), and it rolls a heck of a lot better. I don't feel it drops that much in traction (though that is very much condition dependant - there is no doubt the Magic Mary performs much better when it's wet and goopy out, which I hear can happen from time to time in Squamish...)
Yeah, I have been looking at trying one of those out too. I ran them in my Yeti but have always had the MM up front since I built up the Nomad. The DHF is clearly still the tire of choice for most around here, I’ve just gotten used to gobs of traction up front on the MM.
I’ll probably pick up a DHF and see how I like it by comparison on the MKIII Flows. I Have a 2.35 I was going to run out back.
I find Magic Mary’s grip better on dry blown out trails as well; not sure if that applies to this race though.
probably better than doing it on a super squishy Magic Mary, that's for sure!
Yeah the MM is definitely a slower rolling tire. I notice the traction difference in a lot of situations though.
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totally agree. wasn't suggesting otherwise either. that's the tradeoff I guess.
p.s. @Gary : what did I spell wrong?!
