Interesting. I do want to pick up a Slaughter, the a Minion SS is just too square. Slaughter looks better. Could try one of those Butchers too while I'm at it.
What trail bike tire casings don't suck?
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They're pretty big. The main reason I'm not running them is the rear rubs my rear triangle. I do like the smaller diameter too.
Maxxis is all over the place. The 2.6 butchers are bigger than a 2.5 maxxis by a good bit. The 2.6 maxxii tires are pretty similar in size.
Side note: Some guy rolled up to me in downieville last year with some 2.8 maxxis tires. I've never uncontrollably laughed out loud and pointed at a stranger's bike like that before. It was a true organic moment.
Oh so you were running a 2.6 Slaughter in back?
The best bone dry tire I've tired is the wild rockr'2. I personally feel the DHF is a badass bone dry tire, but it is very focused on drifting corners, not braking, climbing.... The rocker will surprise you at how well it finds traction on any hard surface both up and down even with fine sand, course kitty litter, or random rubble littered on top. At least until the center sips wear out which is pretty fast. They drift well but differently than the DHF. They are buttoned down in comparison but will still happily kick out then catch with confidence. I find I brake later coming in hot and stay hooked up when leaned longer compared to the DHF, but in spite of that I still rail better on the DHF. The DHF is the cornering king, drift master all bow to, but when you want all around traction, the rock'r is the better dry conditions tire. The rock'r hates sticky soil and even good soil you can dig into without clogging lugs. It wants it dry, real dry. It wants moon dust, silt, rocks, and wild fires.
That means it happened in real life, not just for an instagram selfie.
Although to be fair, I have my regrets for not memorializing.
Wait, so you ride 2.6" tires and .2" larger tires are uncontrollably laughable? Is this some kind of sawtooth function?
I need to refine my Kidwoo A.I. algorithm.
Just to undermine what I just said and make me feel inadequate and failing at life, SPCLZD went and made a batterer casing
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/specializeds-new-blck-dmnd-tire-casing-ews-petzen-jamnica-2018.html
....and also now in 2.8”
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Sweet! 1-ply! I remember those intense tires.Just to undermine what I just said and make me feel inadequate and failing at life, SPCLZD went and made a batterer casing
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/specializeds-new-blck-dmnd-tire-casing-ews-petzen-jamnica-2018.html
....and also now in 2.8”
No, you just need to see those 2.8s in person. Trust me.
that bad huh
Never trust someone who says trust me. Fortunately I don't really care about yuuge or medium yuuge tires.
I just replaced a non-tubeless 27.5 Maxxis HR2 EXO 2.4 with a tubeless HR2 EXO 2.3. Measured both mounted, side by side. They were exactly the same width (within the measuring error, I didn't use calipers). Aired the 2.3 up to 40 PSI to seat it, then aired 2.4 to the same pressure, on 30mm ID rims, because I couldn't believe my eyes. WTF?
I went with Butcher Grids a long time ago and stopped having the problems that started this thread in the first place. Running the newer version of them now on 29" wheels on my Sentinel and they're pretty badass. If that new casing they're advertising prevents occasional rim strikes with no weight penalty at mid-20's pressures that'd be even better, but don't see a reason to take on the extra weight just yet.
I'm telling you that you need to see them in person because I want to make you happy. Straight up clown tires. You will smile. Help me to help you westy. Let's do this together.
Have you tried the new design? Cause it looks dumb but I have always wanted to try the butchers.
Also, anyone have experience with the current WTB lineup? I know a lot of people who really like the Convict (DHR?), Vigilante (MM?), and Trail Boss (for something fast rolling in the rear) with the "Tough" casing. I saw a little discussion regarding these tires on the DH tire thread a while back.
How's the volume on the Spesh 2.6s compared to Maxxis 2.6s? I found the Maxxis' ride characteristics to be sub-optimal for my terrain, but the 2.3 Butchers are pretty low volume compared to Maxxis/Schwalbe 2.3s, does that carry over to the 2.6s?
I haven't. I guess the old design wasn't holding enough mud.
I think all the tires being made now are that sawtooth stuff.The big weakness of the butchers for me has been the kind of narrow sideknobs. Once they start going from wear, you have about one turn before they're just flat out dangerous. That maybe possibly could be better with the new ones. They do seem to wear really even. Kind of like a wildrokkkkkkkkR 2
Pretty similar. If I had to pick one, I'd say the maxxis dhfs I've seen are slightly bigger. They both look about like 2.6s
The maxxis 2.8s look like 4.0s.
I'm running a 2.3 slaughter on the back of my main trail bike again fwiw. I don't really think they're that much smaller than a 2.3 maxxis.
Not sure about the Slaughters, but I just checked with the calipers - 2.3 Butcher has 52mm casing, 2.3 Aggressor has 58mm casing. Both on 25mm internal rims. If that holds on the 2.6s I might like them compared to the Maxxis'.I haven't. I guess the old design wasn't holding enough mud.
I think all the tires being made now are that sawtooth stuff.The big weakness of the butchers for me has been the kind of narrow sideknobs. Once they start going from wear, you have about one turn before they're just flat out dangerous. That maybe possibly could be better with the new ones. They do seem to wear really even. Kind of like a wildrokkkkkkkkR 2
Pretty similar. If I had to pick one, I'd say the maxxis dhfs I've seen are slightly bigger. They both look about like 2.6s
The maxxis 2.8s look like 4.0s.
I'm running a 2.3 slaughter on the back of my main trail bike again fwiw. I don't really think they're that much smaller than a 2.3 maxxis.
They're still a pretty big tire for a trail bike, although not by current dentist standards.
Give'em a go. I really liked them.
you're talking the 2.6 Butchers correct?
yes/and/or slaughter
Basically anything with that gripton rubber though. Even the 2.3s
The 2.3 looks small for the front - but never let me down.
new WTB Judge looks promising: https://nsmb.com/articles/riding-wtbs-new-2019-rims-tires/ now if only they made it in a "light casing" too, so I could run it on the front!
So I'm looking for a good East Coast tire. The Minions are great. But sometimes you cant get a good lean angle because we dont cut all our trees down or move big rocks out of the way. So what's a good tire for the front that has some transition traction if you cant lean it over?
Edit I should say Mid Atlantic South PA to WNC
So there's something wet most the time.
Edit I should say Mid Atlantic South PA to WNC
So there's something wet most the time.
I heard they moved to another supplier. I loved the grip but the race up front didn't last very long at all. Has this improved?
No idea. I still run the original TRS+ in the front.
Maybe I'll just stay away from the race then. The trs+ didn't give up.
I am on my 3rd front TRS+. My next front tire will be a Wild Rock'r 2 though.
What area of the planet do you ride?
I've been running the Riddler 2.4 tough casing as a rear tire. Laced to dt471's. Running it on both bikes. I see no reason to change at this point. I have two sitting on the shelf for when I wear out the current crop.
You don't move big rocks or cut all your trees? I guess you didn't ride WNC back in the day.