That's good.Haha. We're having the least rain. But that's kind of what we do this time of year.
peach: nah just really busy with some other stuff and not motivated to keep washing dust out of my toes.
That's good.Haha. We're having the least rain. But that's kind of what we do this time of year.
peach: nah just really busy with some other stuff and not motivated to keep washing dust out of my toes.
DAMMIT!A pokey rock put a hole in the tread portion of my rear WildRockr2 Reinforced.
There you go.<snip>
Michelin Wild Rock'R2 - good reviews, seems to work best on the front
Wait why not? If you like the DHF, apart from braking, the DHR should be perfect. They do a 2.4 Exo TR 3C 26.Since I cannot pick up a DHF or DHRII in Exo 3C for the front,
Agreed 100%. I loved this tire when I was still on micro wheels (3 months ago). I've never seen anybody else running those on the trail, which is a shame. I bought one at my LBS, tried it and went to by the other they had in stock. Never seen another one. If found they felt a bit like the Michelin Comp16 when it came out in the early 2000's, in a more trailbike-friendly package. When you loose traction in a corner, there's always hope the tire will find traction again before you crash...which can't be said of all tires.My trail bike currently has a Mavic Charge XL up front. I bought this after good reviews and decided to give it a go. I have been thoroughly impressed and it has performed well in all conditions mentioned above. I have been looking for a another one but they seem to be a little rare now. Out back I have a Maxxis Advantage that came with a used bike bought earlier this year. I used to ride these years ago and I have never been able to fault them for grip (cornering and braking) and rolling speed. Only complaint is that they only come in single ply.
The DHF is not good for hard breaking. It tends to just squirm side to side instead of slowing down. Great for sliding the bike into turns, horrible for staying in control on a long steep loose section. DHR in the rear will solve that problem, also consider going to a softer compound (3C MaxxTera) in the rear for more traction, at the expense of rolling resistance and longevity.No complaints on hardpack but I have noticed a lack of braking performance on the loamy trails
Marginally worse than a DHF, but not by much.How bad is the DHR2 for trail riding, as in rolling resistance?
the advantage was a really highly underrated tire. it was created a long time ago as an aggressive XC tire, but it also makes a great trail tire as well (but definitely not as aggressive as say a minion or WR2). unfortunately, maxxis discontinued the 2.4 size several years ago (and never made it for wheels other than 26"), which is a shame IMO because the 2.4 version of the tire was worlds better than the 2.25 ( i have both).@JohnKranked - no 2.25 single ply at 32psi. So far no issue but there really arnt any rocks to worry about locally. I can’t recall if I ran 2.25 or 2.4 around 5 years ago, when I was based in Kore. I do however recall a number of pinch flats if the pressure went 30psi or lower. I would never run this tire in Cape Town, Brazil, or possible in Wales. It works very well at moment but I would love something that performs as well, doesn’t roll much slower, but has Exo equivelant casing.
On a side note, I think the Advantage would never make back from a single ride in Dubai. I have never ridden on such rocky terrain that is so sharp. Multiple flats each ride and tubeless was a waste of time. I think we used a lot of toothpaste tubes patches to keep tires rolling.
Yeah... you'll have to trust @HAB on the loam performance... we, sadly, have almost no loam here. It's hardpack, loose over hard, and rox. Lots and lots of (often) pointy rox. Also - the WR2 does NOT like sticky clay-mud, which I found out the hard way this past weekend. Takes FOREVER to shed it, too, once it has gummed up the tread.<snip>
@SkaredShtles - something about the center lugs have me wondering about ride loam. I can see it on hardpack, rocks etc.
you sure that isn't just you going slow?Also - the WR2 does NOT like sticky clay-mud, which I found out the hard way this past weekend. Takes FOREVER to shed it, too, once it has gummed up the tread.
Heh. Yeah. Pretty sure.you sure that isn't just you going slow?
Looking at it now, it seems to me, that the Aggressor might be it's successor?the advantage was a really highly underrated tire. it was created a long time ago as an aggressive XC tire, but it also makes a great trail tire as well (but definitely not as aggressive as say a minion or WR2). unfortunately, maxxis discontinued the 2.4 size several years ago (and never made it for wheels other than 26"), which is a shame IMO because the 2.4 version of the tire was worlds better than the 2.25 ( i have both).
possibly?Looking at it now, it seems to me, that the Aggressor might be it's successor?
Yeah, they suck. But our other friend @big-ted thinks they're fine... I dunno. I'll put it back on when it dries up next season. I might have been blaming my crappy gwinn brakes for my sketchy riding...Keep in mind that I am just a talentless hack though. OTOH, I believe our friend in the PNW, @Da Peach, didn't like the butchers in the wet either.
The tread is spaced a little too tightly to be a super great loam tire. They're fine, but DHRs are definitely better.Yeah... you'll have to trust @HAB on the loam performance... we, sadly, have almost no loam here. It's hardpack, loose over hard, and rox. Lots and lots of (often) pointy rox. Also - the WR2 does NOT like sticky clay-mud, which I found out the hard way this past weekend. Takes FOREVER to shed it, too, once it has gummed up the tread.
Depends on what you're comparing them to. Vs the Scwalbe soft compound, yeah, I'm sure the Butchers suck. But vs. a DHF in a Maxxis max-whatever-the-intermediate-compound-is, they're on par, in my opinion.Yeah, they suck. But our other friend @big-ted thinks they're fine... I dunno. I'll put it back on when it dries up next season. I might have been blaming my crappy gwinn brakes for my sketchy riding...
I've heard of it before - I think it must be something in between rock and sloppy mud?what is this “loam” of which you people speak???
Sidwall is much thinner than EXO. I got the eliminator to give it a try. Probably wont even mount them up.So it looks like Specialized's Grid casing has gone the way of the Maxxis EXO casing and gotten really thin too compared to their prior versions. Not holding up. Punctures, pinches, and pissing sealant through the sidewalls generously now.
NEXT.
Yeah, same experience here. The new gripton ones are really thin. I haven't tried the new blkdmnd casing but I think it's likely to be better.So it looks like Specialized's Grid casing has gone the way of the Maxxis EXO casing and gotten really thin too compared to their prior versions. Not holding up. Punctures, pinches, and pissing sealant through the sidewalls generously now.
NEXT.
Thought that too, but it ends up being something like a 1lb weight penalty per wheel over the Grid casing (or even the prior Grid casing which worked just fine).Yeah, same experience here. The new gripton ones are really thin. I haven't tried the new blkdmnd casing but I think it's likely to be better.
These are the reasons I am not going to wider rims and tires (in other words, in my opinion).Can anyone chime in on the pros and cons of running very large volume tires? I've just mounted up a Trail King 2.4 Protection that I've had for a while and this thing is a balloon of a tire (slightly higher in volume than the Mavic Charge XL that is up front). I am tossing up my options of trying to sell it while it is new, or give it a try (in which case it might not be as easy to sell).
I recently ordered a DHRII 2.3" and was shocked to find it on the complete opposite end of the spectrum. Returned it for a 2.4 Wide Trail and it matches up to my previous experience of Maxxis 2.35" Exos. I would say that the DHRII 2.4" Wide Trail is around perfect for width and volume.
I don't have to deal with soft sand or much in the way of rocks, so I am not sure there is much point to running such a large volume tire. However, it will roll faster than a DHRII then I might give it a try. The next 4 months are going to be mostly mud fest here in the UK.
2.3" Minions with DoubleDown casings are my go to for rear tires. The thicker casing lets you run a lower pressure and more rubber actually gives you some nice damping characteristics.I also run 30-32Psi to prevent tire casing roll, float etc. Especially at speed on hardpack.
I did feel the 2.3" was a little too low in volume mainly for rim strikes
As long as DHRs, DHFs and Wild Rock'R2s are made in 26, you are GOLDEN.Enough dicking around. DHRII 2.4" WT order for the rear.
So far I am impressed with it up front on the Trail bike, and dont feel like its rolling slower to have noticed. So that's an added bonus. 26" tire options are getting thin. None of the new goodly tires that are available in bigger and biggest wheel sizes.
Add the Shorty and I agree.As long as DHRs, DHFs and Wild Rock'R2s are made in 26, you are GOLDEN.
Wild Rockr2 are awesome. Just remember that the centre tread is a bit shorter than an equivalent DHF so they don't have as much bite in the loamy stuff, but for loose over hard they work very nice.Mmmmm. Shorties. Felt like one up front would have been perfect this week. Definitely thinking of trying one this Winter, and it would work well when I move further south next year. Local trails I scouted were significantly more muddy and there was more clay in the mix.
The Wild Rock R2's get good reviews. I would need to see what the predominant trail conditions are once I have moved.