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What trail bike tire casings don't suck?

slyfink

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Sep 16, 2008
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So after my countless posts on here worried that the "WT" tires would be less than ideal on 25 id rims, I sucked it up and bought one. I now have a 2.4 WT DHR2 in EXO+ in the front on an Arch MK3, and a 2.3 DHR2 in DD on a Flow EX in the rear.

I weighed both tires before mounting and the 2.3 DD came in at 1004g, and the 2.4 EXO+ came in at 932g. While stiffer and thicker than a plain EXO casing, the EXO+ is noticeably less stiff than the DD. I think the main difference is that the DD has that extra plastic protector at the bead. For 70g, I think I prefer having that extra protection and stiffness of DD on my back wheel.

Two rides in (granted in hero dirt conditions), and all is right with the world. First ride I had to get used to all that extra grip in the front, I was actually turning in too much and going off line. Straight-line bombing down rough trails is fantastic. Creeping down steep mossy rock faces is good too. Grabbing a handful of brakes on loose over hard when I noticed I'd blown past the entrance to the trail led to stopping much quicker than the last time I did the same thing in the same spot. I haven't noticed much difference in difference in rolling resistance, except on the ashphalt sections. Overall impressions are :thumb::thumb:

FWIW, the tires I replaced were a 2.3 Butcher Grid in the front (that got a sidewall cut at the bead from a pinch flat) and a 2.3 Aggressor DD in the rear. I have to agree with others on here that the rubber compound on the Butchers sucks donkeys nuts in the wet and the Grid casing is caca. Aggressors are fine when new, but I find their performance fades quickly once they get the least bit worn.

edited to add: the knobs on the 2.4 are much bigger and deeper than on the 2.3. Not entirely sure what difference that makes.
 
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Flo33

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Mar 3, 2015
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Rubber compound matters here too. Maxxis doesn't make the DHRII in a 2.4, Maxx Grip, Exo casing but they should. I'd run those on the front of trail bikes if they did, but instead mostly go for the 2.5 DHF in that same configuration because the better rubber trumps the improved braking of the DHR if making a true apples-apples comparison of the two.
:stupid:
 

djjohnr

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Apr 21, 2002
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Tried the Spesh Eliminator 2.6 Grids...piles of hot garbage. At sensible pressures they feel like bouncy basketballs, but if you lower pressure there’s no support. In both cases the grip is a joke at any lean angle. They ride nothing like the 2.3 I tried.
 

DaveW

Space Monkey
Jul 2, 2001
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Haven't tried the Verdict yet as the local importer hasn't brought that tyre into NZ yet but I totally rate the WTB Judge's ability in the wet.
Hooks up better than the 29x2.5 DHF on the front of my bike in Wellingtons wet rocks, roots and mud.
 

djjohnr

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Apr 21, 2002
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Haven't tried the Verdict yet as the local importer hasn't brought that tyre into NZ yet but I totally rate the WTB Judge's ability in the wet.
Hooks up better than the 29x2.5 DHF on the front of my bike in Wellingtons wet rocks, roots and mud.
I looked at those in the shop last week, same weight as DH casing Assegais.
 

Flo33

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Mar 3, 2015
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I'm digging my 650b x 2.4 Exo+ DHR2s a lot so far, running 22 and 24 psi tubeless on dt ex471 rims and it seems to be the sweet spot for my riding, style and weight. On really hard cornering I managed to get burping sounds but no pressure loss occurred.

So far so good.
 
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Bike078

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Jan 11, 2018
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What's dhr 2 in maxxterra casing like as a rear trail tire? Not too draggy?

Are 2.3 maxxis high rollers fine on 30 mm inner width rims or do they get too square?
 

slimshady

¡Mira, una ardilla!
Dec 20, 2007
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HR or HR2? I'm running a 2.3 tubeless ready HR2 as a rear tire on a 30mm inner width rim. Previously had the non-TR 2.4 one there. To my surprise, both tires measured THE FUCKING EXACT SAME, 56mm at the casing if memory serves me well. It's not too square, with 25-28 PSI.
 

Kiwintas

Chimp
Oct 22, 2018
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What's dhr 2 in maxxterra casing like as a rear trail tire? Not too draggy?
The dhr 2 is my go to rear tire. I have ran it in the maxxterra compound and didn’t notice the difference in peddling. But it wear out a lot fast than I had hoped.
 

Bike078

Monkey
Jan 11, 2018
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HR or HR2? I'm running a 2.3 tubeless ready HR2 as a rear tire on a 30mm inner width rim. Previously had the non-TR 2.4 one there. To my surprise, both tires measured THE FUCKING EXACT SAME, 56mm at the casing if memory serves me well. It's not too square, with 25-28 PSI.
HR2. Recently replaced the 26" rear rim with a 27.5" one. I have a HR2 and DHF both in 2.3 that I can use but I was thinking of getting another 2.4 DHR 2 for a bit more volume and comfort because I'm on a hardtail. Thanks for the info. Surprised the 2.3 and 2.4 measured the same.
 

slimshady

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Dec 20, 2007
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Surprised the 2.3 and 2.4 measured the same.
Yup, same happened to me. I happen to have a pretty good "eye-o-meter" so when I mounted the TR 2.3 and looked at the front non-TR 2.4, both inflated to 28 PSI, I said "WTF?" and ran for my calipers. Upon measuring, I confirmed both tires measured 56mm on the casing and about 59 on the side knobs. I think I have a picture of both wheels side by side somewhere. I'll upload it if I find it.
 

Bike078

Monkey
Jan 11, 2018
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Yup, same happened to me. I happen to have a pretty good "eye-o-meter" so when I mounted the TR 2.3 and looked at the front non-TR 2.4, both inflated to 28 PSI, I said "WTF?" and ran for my calipers. Upon measuring, I confirmed both tires measured 56mm on the casing and about 59 on the side knobs. I think I have a picture of both wheels side by side somewhere. I'll upload it if I find it.
No, I meant I was surprised by your finding that both tires measured the same. :D
Btw, how much do maxxis tires cost over there? Here, some online vendors (including fb) sell maxxterra and some maxxgrip tires for $40 or less. This includes dhf, dhr 2, hr 2 and assegai.
 

slyfink

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Sep 16, 2008
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The dhr 2 is my go to rear tire. I have ran it in the maxxterra compound and didn’t notice the difference in peddling. But it wear out a lot fast than I had hoped.
I had the same observation. It wore out a little faster than I'd hoped.

That said, performance didn't degrade too much as it wore out, unlike the Aggressor I had on before. I found the Aggressor is great when it's new, but the second it starts to wear, it somehow becomes useless. The DHR2 is my new go-to, mainly because of the better wear characteristics, but also for better cornering, better performance in the wet and better braking. I didn't notice much of a difference in rolling resistance either (except on the road).
 

StiHacka

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I had the same observation. It wore out a little faster than I'd hoped.

That said, performance didn't degrade too much as it wore out, unlike the Aggressor I had on before. I found the Aggressor is great when it's new, but the second it starts to wear, it somehow becomes useless. The DHR2 is my new go-to, mainly because of the better wear characteristics, but also for better cornering, better performance in the wet and better braking. I didn't notice much of a difference in rolling resistance either (except on the road).
Have you tried a DD 2.3 Minion SS in the rear yet? Much more predictable than the Aggressor, IMHO; and with real side knobs.
 

slyfink

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Sep 16, 2008
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Have you tried a DD 2.3 Minion SS in the rear yet? Much more predictable than the Aggressor, IMHO; and with real side knobs.
I think I tried the EXO version, which didn't last too long. But that's a good point. I might see about picking one up for next summer. But the tire I get may come down to cost: the SG Rock Razor was pretty decent when I tried it, and the I liked the Slaughter quite a bit (until I cut the sidewall of the GRID casing). I might see if they offer them with the Black Diamond casing. Edited to add: nope. No Slaughter in BlckDmnd. No big loss, their other tires are close to $100 cndn pesos.
 
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mykel

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Apr 19, 2013
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Not until they make that tire in a proper diameter they haven't.

I didn't realize they were doing a 29er though, so maybe that's encouraging? But the 27.5 version doesn't exist.
Damn, and I was within a couple of inches! That is almost as good as horseshoes and hand-grenades.

BTW - I thought the proper diameter was 26" :monkey: