yes race. it's the only version they make for 26". not cracking, but actual slices from rocks and stuff. the corner knobs do seem to be wearing quickly, even for a race compound. what tire sealant are you using?
What trail bike tire casings don't suck?
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Probably dry, although historically when I go there in mid-October they've just gotten the first 1 or 2 rain showers since spring time. If it actually rains while we're there, speeds will reduce so pressures can too.
Stans Race Sealant.
Here's an image of the crack that wraps around the circumference.
Anyone have some real time on the new Magic Mary? Every time there's a change I hear that they finally will keep lugs for a while...than I hear or experience nothing has changed.
I have pretty good results with the prior version 27.5 x 2.35 in SG Addix Ultra soft and am currently on a 29.0 x 2.40 SG Addix Ultra soft, no signs of tears at the tread blocks. Both at the front and on my pedal bikes, '16 Reign and '21 Titan.
I had no problems with the previous 2.35 keeping lugs (Ultra Soft, Super Gravity) and ran them as a front tyre pretty exclusively for the past couple of years. The new 2.4 is apparently a decent whack heavier for some reason but I haven't run one yet.
i burned through a set of the current 2.4 MM / bigbetty super gravity ultrasofts last winter. great soggy weather grippers, no durability issues (apart from typical soft rubber wear). burly sidewalls (stouter than DD's), and a weight to match - 1400g 29'ers.
Holy crap - What do their DH casings weigh? Wish they did the Ultra soft in a Super trail casing or something.
Or you know - left the old awesome 2.35 Ultra Soft Super Gravity untouched...
yeah, an US ST MM would be the bee's knees. i search the german shops periodically to see if schwalbe has yet spawned such a thing. alas...
Bean hammering the new MM in soft and ultra soft super gravity, a set of super trail, a big Betty soft in super gravity...
Lots of rocks, resorts, jump park, all out hammering and been getting bike low 2 wheel drift pushes...
No lost lugs
No tears and rips from bad manufacturing
Sidewall has taken a ton of abuse and survived rock gashes
I have zero issues with them, my rear on the 951 has seen a crap ton of abuse...it's still going strong...I just rebuilt a new rear wheel and stuck my used magic mary on since it's still going....
Love this tire:
I have ripped at the sidewall, laid lugs and started to rip into the side wall lugs...etc ...this back tire has gotten it's ass handed to it...
I don't brake and skid or brake to drift...tire is predictable and when it drifts you know where it's at...
Lots of rocks, resorts, jump park, all out hammering and been getting bike low 2 wheel drift pushes...
No lost lugs
No tears and rips from bad manufacturing
Sidewall has taken a ton of abuse and survived rock gashes
I have zero issues with them, my rear on the 951 has seen a crap ton of abuse...it's still going strong...I just rebuilt a new rear wheel and stuck my used magic mary on since it's still going....
Love this tire:
I have ripped at the sidewall, laid lugs and started to rip into the side wall lugs...etc ...this back tire has gotten it's ass handed to it...
I don't brake and skid or brake to drift...tire is predictable and when it drifts you know where it's at...
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DH casing is lighter according to real world weighing on a reliable scale:
DH:
SG:
Can confirm to the SG weight.
Super Trail would be a good idea unless it's even heavier
Or you know - left the old awesome 2.35 Ultra Soft Super Gravity untouched...
That would be the best idea but than there would be no progress... oh wait...
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I don't mind DD weight. They don't seem to do the Ultra Soft compound in anything but Super Gravity or DH casing though.
Mine are all 27.5 weights but here's the list I've got of what I'm had the past 18 months or so.
Hans Dampf SG 2.35 - 1070g
Magic Mary SG 2.35 - 1160g
Magic Mary SG 2.4 - 1373g
Big Betty SG 2.4 - 1220g
Assegai 2.5 DD - 1230g
Assegai 2.5 DH - 1300g
Dissector 2.4 DH - 1080g
DHR2 2.4 DD - 1130g
DHR2 2.3 DD - 1050g
Wild Enduro F 2.4 - 1005g
Wild Enduro R 2.4 - 1050g
Beats me what other changes they made when they went from 2.35 to 2.4 on the Mary but its ~200g heavier than it used to be.
Mine are all 27.5 weights but here's the list I've got of what I'm had the past 18 months or so.
Hans Dampf SG 2.35 - 1070g
Magic Mary SG 2.35 - 1160g
Magic Mary SG 2.4 - 1373g
Big Betty SG 2.4 - 1220g
Assegai 2.5 DD - 1230g
Assegai 2.5 DH - 1300g
Dissector 2.4 DH - 1080g
DHR2 2.4 DD - 1130g
DHR2 2.3 DD - 1050g
Wild Enduro F 2.4 - 1005g
Wild Enduro R 2.4 - 1050g
Beats me what other changes they made when they went from 2.35 to 2.4 on the Mary but its ~200g heavier than it used to be.
Some more weights, because I'm a nerd.
DHR 27.5x2.4 EXO+ MT 957
DHR 27.5x2.4 DD MT 1128
DHR 27.5x2.4 DH MG 1170
Dissector 27.5x2.4 DD MG 1039
Dissector 27.5x2.4 DH MG 1173
Assegai 29x2.5 EXO+ MG 1130
Assegai 29x2.5 DD MG 1284
Assegai 29x2.5 DH MG 1370
DHR 27.5x2.4 EXO+ MT 957
DHR 27.5x2.4 DD MT 1128
DHR 27.5x2.4 DH MG 1170
Dissector 27.5x2.4 DD MG 1039
Dissector 27.5x2.4 DH MG 1173
Assegai 29x2.5 EXO+ MG 1130
Assegai 29x2.5 DD MG 1284
Assegai 29x2.5 DH MG 1370
I'm on DD Assegai so similar weight. I always found the MM to roll better for the same grip.
I currently run a MM SuperTrail 27.5x2.6 soft compound in the front and while the tire is not as awesome and grippy in the slop as her SG/Ultra Soft sister, it is still pretty good and durable and around 1180g IIRC.
Vigilante front and back, that is all.
How are people finding the 2.6 stuff?
I was tempted, but stayed away after my experience on 2.8's which I did not like.
So far as I have noticed,, it seems to be mostly the younger lighter riders that are on them locally. So does body weight or the stick up the ass of the aged play a role?
At this point DH is 2.5 Assguy and 2.4 DHR2, trail is 2.4 DHR2 and 2.4 Dissector.
I was tempted, but stayed away after my experience on 2.8's which I did not like.
So far as I have noticed,, it seems to be mostly the younger lighter riders that are on them locally. So does body weight or the stick up the ass of the aged play a role?
At this point DH is 2.5 Assguy and 2.4 DHR2, trail is 2.4 DHR2 and 2.4 Dissector.
I have no interest in 2.6. I think Maxxis’ 2.5WT DHF is already too balloony, though the Assegai seems to be narrower.
Off topic, but they should make a proper 2.4 DHF imo. I’d love to try that with a rear Dissector for mellower trails.
My go to is a 2.5 Assegai front and 2.4 DHR2 rear, though I’m on a sale priced Butcher rear at the moment.
Off topic, but they should make a proper 2.4 DHF imo. I’d love to try that with a rear Dissector for mellower trails.
My go to is a 2.5 Assegai front and 2.4 DHR2 rear, though I’m on a sale priced Butcher rear at the moment.
Yep, if your going 2.5 and up you might as well try to get the beefiest casing they come in to get a bit more sidewall support to counter the ballon factor.
The 2.6 MM is 2.5" wide (carcass and knobs), having slightly more aggressive knobs than the 2.35 one. It is only a hair wider than a 2.3 Eliminator.
Most the 2 6 or bigger seem to have thin bouncy casing shorter knobs and harder compounds. I too prefer 2 4 tires the Assegai is really a 2.4.
I agree I prefer 2.35 to 2.4 and heavy casing to keep profile from distorting and ballooning out...30mm rim width ID for sure...
I do like the assguy....till schwalbe gets back in stock. Going to try it out when I'm a bit better...looks promising
I do like the assguy....till schwalbe gets back in stock. Going to try it out when I'm a bit better...looks promising
I have been running the dissector in DH casing, no flats all summer (knock on wood). But I would prefer a DD/DC For some more durability, the DH ones are made of eraser rubber.
S goes through the 3C Maxterra pretty quickly, it's the side knobs that just don't last out back.
Did a high speed, rock infested 30 min descent on EXO+ (Assegai & DHR2) with Tallus inserts running 21 psi rear, 19 front yesterday. Traction and control was unreal, felt like I could do no harm and the trails were bone dry. It was like magic. Same trail where I doubled flatted running slightly more pressure but no Tallus.
Inserts were doing their job, never felt the rims, buuut the EXO+ sidewalls just barely survived. Some big gashes in the rear that are weeping sealant.
So DD or DH casings going on soon, the light weight casing + insert experiment has failed.
Inserts were doing their job, never felt the rims, buuut the EXO+ sidewalls just barely survived. Some big gashes in the rear that are weeping sealant.
So DD or DH casings going on soon, the light weight casing + insert experiment has failed.
I found that to be the case too. Though I blame it on the exo+ using a 120 tpi casing. I was in the process of testing out whether a reinforced 60tpi casing tire might work better when I had my accident. Testing will resume next spring/summer. I was giving a 2.3 Specialized Butcher in the Grid Trail casing a try on my rear wheel (w Tannus tubeless insert). It seemed to be working fairly well when paired with the 2.4 exo+ dhr2 in the front. (Though the 2.3 spesh is wider than the 2.4 Maxxis, fwiw)Did a high speed, rock infested 30 min descent on EXO+ (Assegai & DHR2) with Tallus inserts running 21 psi rear, 19 front yesterday. Traction and control was unreal, felt like I could do no harm and the trails were bone dry. It was like magic. Same trail where I doubled flatted running slightly more pressure but no Tallus.
Inserts were doing their job, never felt the rims, buuut the EXO+ sidewalls just barely survived. Some big gashes in the rear that are weeping sealant.
So DD or DH casings going on soon, the light weight casing + insert experiment has failed.
DD in those tires with incerts work well for me in rough trails and at the bike park.Did a high speed, rock infested 30 min descent on EXO+ (Assegai & DHR2) with Tallus inserts running 21 psi rear, 19 front yesterday. Traction and control was unreal, felt like I could do no harm and the trails were bone dry. It was like magic. Same trail where I doubled flatted running slightly more pressure but no Tallus.
Inserts were doing their job, never felt the rims, buuut the EXO+ sidewalls just barely survived. Some big gashes in the rear that are weeping sealant.
So DD or DH casings going on soon, the light weight casing + insert experiment has failed.
Schwalbe is listening. Magic Mary 650b / 29 x 2.40 in Addix Ultra Soft is coming with Super Trail casing:
https://r2-bike.com/SCHWALBE-Reifen-Magic-Mary-275-x-240-Super-Trail-ADDIX-Ultra-Soft-EVO-Snake-Skin-TLE-2022 @1110 g
https://r2-bike.com/SCHWALBE-Reifen-Magic-Mary-29-x-240-Super-Trail-ADDIX-Ultra-Soft-EVO-Snake-Skin-TLE-2022 @1150 g
No date for availabilty yet.
https://r2-bike.com/SCHWALBE-Reifen-Magic-Mary-275-x-240-Super-Trail-ADDIX-Ultra-Soft-EVO-Snake-Skin-TLE-2022 @1110 g
https://r2-bike.com/SCHWALBE-Reifen-Magic-Mary-29-x-240-Super-Trail-ADDIX-Ultra-Soft-EVO-Snake-Skin-TLE-2022 @1150 g
No date for availabilty yet.
Hmmm... looks promising for a front tire...
Yessss
Is it heavy and slow enough for you though?
I really like that tire in the Soft Addix compound. The Ultra Soft version would be the tittays for wet seasons.
1100g - seems reasonable. Slow enough... we'll have to see, I guess.Is it heavy and slow enough for you though?
I really like that tire in the Soft Addix compound. The Ultra Soft version would be the tittays for wet seasons.
What is this "wet seasons" you refer to??
Thats mint news. Awesome
I just ordered utra soft and soft to run front and rear till it dries out. They're noticeably faster than Assguy/DHR2 combo.
After spending seasons on DHR IIs and Magic Marys, I have tried the Gen 3 E13 TRS Mopo "Trail" tires last season and I was amazed by everything. The trail version is around 1050g and I never had a cut or flat tire even riding in sharp rocks all the time. Altough one could say I care about my rims so I'm riding pretty smooth. I'm using Cushcore Pro in the back with 25 psi (22psi front) for what it's worth.
The Mopo compound is really grippy and wore much better than expected. The durability seems pretty on par or even better than Schwalbe's Addix Soft, but the grip is much better. No knob squirm either, no weird channel transition to the side knobs, great grip and very reasonable rolling resistance. Plus they can often be had for cheap (like 50$us retail for the Mopo on Jenson or 72$cdn in Canada). The sidewalls on the ones I have are a bit porous and weep sealant in 3-4 spots, but I'm not losing pressure any more than with other tubeless tires I've recently used (using WPL sealant) so I don't care and it didn't give me any trouble.
They also have the LG1 version which has burlier sidewalls for only like 50-100g more per tire. It hasn't been worth it for me so far, but if weight isn't a concern, I'd suggest the LG1 version since the Trail sidewalls get used up when rubbing on rocks.
The Mopo compound is really grippy and wore much better than expected. The durability seems pretty on par or even better than Schwalbe's Addix Soft, but the grip is much better. No knob squirm either, no weird channel transition to the side knobs, great grip and very reasonable rolling resistance. Plus they can often be had for cheap (like 50$us retail for the Mopo on Jenson or 72$cdn in Canada). The sidewalls on the ones I have are a bit porous and weep sealant in 3-4 spots, but I'm not losing pressure any more than with other tubeless tires I've recently used (using WPL sealant) so I don't care and it didn't give me any trouble.
They also have the LG1 version which has burlier sidewalls for only like 50-100g more per tire. It hasn't been worth it for me so far, but if weight isn't a concern, I'd suggest the LG1 version since the Trail sidewalls get used up when rubbing on rocks.