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What trail bike tire casings don't suck?

toodles

ridiculously corgi proportioned
Aug 24, 2004
4,659
3,557
Australia
Come on... no way that "tire lube" is anything other than vegetable oil, right??
The water soluble aspect is pretty important considering its going on tyres and near rotors. I'll use a spray bottle of bike wash or even isopropyl alcohol to provide some slip to allow a tyre to pop out to the bead. Not sure I wanna risk oil based options.

*edit* to be fair, I'm still traumatised from a tyre exploding off the rim once and making my garage look like a bukkake scene was filmed there. There's still Peaty's sealant on the ceiling
 

slyfink

Turbo Monkey
Sep 16, 2008
8,492
4,169
Ottawa, Canada
got my supertrail Magic Mary and Big Betty in the mail on Monday. Installed them last night. Mary went onto my Chromag rim easily enough despite a stiffer than expected bead (soaped up the beads, popped them on with a tube, removed it and one bead, removed the valve stem, hit it with a compressor). Held air overnight, so that's a win.

Rear rim is a Spank Spike 33. Even soaped up and with a tube, I couldn't get the beads to seat properly and evenly all the way round. Left it at 40psi overnight, and they didn't budge. I'm going to try and install my Tannus tubeless insert tonight, but I'm not hopeful it will work and hold air. I'm very torn about this rim. It's stiff, straigtht and true after 1.5 seasons, but goddam is it ever a pain in the ass to get it to seat tubeless. I don't think I will be getting another one next time around...
FWIW, turns out it was much ado about nothing. came home last night and pulled the tube out, installed the valve (coreless) and aired it up with my compressor. It was holding air with the pump head still on. So I installed the Tannus insert (I sprayed it with a mist of water), got it seated, put Stans in through the valve, reinstalled the core and aired it up. There were no pops as the bead set in, and an 7" section of bead is still not perfectly seated, but it held air for my ride last night, and this morning it was still within 2 psi of where I left it after the ride.

I think I was traumatised by the first time I tried getting that rim to seal tubeless. Took about 3 (maybe 4?) tape jobs, and about 4 rides after that for the valve to seal fully. It must have taken about 3 weeks of faffing to finally settle. I was really not looking forward to doing that all over again. Happily it turns out I didn't.

Ride notes: the orange (soft) rubber is grippy as advertised. while unseasonably warm last night (15°C), it was humid and the leaves have mostly fallen. most rocky surfaces were snotty or covered in leaves, so slipping was inevitable. where I noticed it most was on roots. Also, not having the defined channel of the DHR2 on the front tire (now a Muddy Mary) meant a much more confident ride at slower speeds (which characterizes our fall riding at night). I'm very happy with the combo.
 

mykel

closer to Periwinkle
Apr 19, 2013
4,204
2,805
sw ontario canada
Finally got a post Covid ride on the new EXO+.
Rona symptoms have all cleared up except for some tinnitus and I still get winded just thinking about something physical. I was pretty much out of gas as soon as I started so my ride was slow and short, (8 km /5 mi ) so just first impressions.

The new ones feel quite a bit thicker in the sidewalls so I broke out the micrometer and did a couple measurements.

EXO - measured .037-.040 inches - two samples (Rekon and Dissector - both 29x2.4)
EXO+ 120 - measured .038-.044 inches - two samples (DHR2 - both 29x2.4)
EXO+ 60 - measured .067 -.070 inches - two samples (Assegai 29x2.5 and Dissector 29x2.4)

On trail, the feel is much much improved. Nicely damped and muted but not lacking in feedback. They do not bounce and kick like the EXO or old EXO+, much more DH like. There is a rootball section on one climb, kinda like corduroy and about 20 feet long that normally has the front kicking and hunting quite a bit. This time it was much more composed and tracked better. Even the rear felt like it was not hunting as much. These trails are pretty tight and not overly fast, so only hit a couple of berms at anything that could be considered speedy. They felt good, no squirm or rollover, but like I said, not moving with much haste.

Speedwise - hard to tell. I went from dual DHR2 to Assegai / Dissector (same compounds MG/MT), so probably picked up a bit in back and lost a boatload up front. Feels a bit slower, but not overly draggy, but hard to tell when you get winded just riding around the parking lot. More time will tell. They did do a very good job of finding traction amongst all the leaves and pine straw.

Overall, first impressions are quite positive.
 

slyfink

Turbo Monkey
Sep 16, 2008
8,492
4,169
Ottawa, Canada
Interesting review of Conti's new tires: https://fullattack.cc/fiche-test-continental-argotal-kryptotal/

To summarize:
he seems to love the DH tires: great carcass, and great rubber. softer than any Maxxis offering, but don't wear out too fast.

Enduro tires are less good, mainly due to the carcass: too heavy for too little puncture protection. he said they come in closer to an EXO than the EXO+, despite being heavier.
 

sethimus

scroll all you want!
Feb 5, 2006
3,715
1,289
not in Whistler anymore :/
Finally got a post Covid ride on the new EXO+.
Rona symptoms have all cleared up except for some tinnitus and I still get winded just thinking about something physical. I was pretty much out of gas as soon as I started so my ride was slow and short, (8 km /5 mi ) so just first impressions.

The new ones feel quite a bit thicker in the sidewalls so I broke out the micrometer and did a couple measurements.

EXO - measured .037-.040 inches - two samples (Rekon and Dissector - both 29x2.4)
EXO+ 120 - measured .038-.044 inches - two samples (DHR2 - both 29x2.4)
EXO+ 60 - measured .067 -.070 inches - two samples (Assegai 29x2.5 and Dissector 29x2.4)

On trail, the feel is much much improved. Nicely damped and muted but not lacking in feedback. They do not bounce and kick like the EXO or old EXO+, much more DH like. There is a rootball section on one climb, kinda like corduroy and about 20 feet long that normally has the front kicking and hunting quite a bit. This time it was much more composed and tracked better. Even the rear felt like it was not hunting as much. These trails are pretty tight and not overly fast, so only hit a couple of berms at anything that could be considered speedy. They felt good, no squirm or rollover, but like I said, not moving with much haste.

Speedwise - hard to tell. I went from dual DHR2 to Assegai / Dissector (same compounds MG/MT), so probably picked up a bit in back and lost a boatload up front. Feels a bit slower, but not overly draggy, but hard to tell when you get winded just riding around the parking lot. More time will tell. They did do a very good job of finding traction amongst all the leaves and pine straw.

Overall, first impressions are quite positive.
i rode my assegai/dhr2 exo+ combo all summer with 1,6/1,7 bar and octamousse red/black. no problems , felt no difference to the dd combo i rode last year