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what would it take to make you emigrate?

BurlyShirley

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fluff said:
I'm not sure if you still need a criminal record to get in. Do you have one?
It got erased when I turned 18. Any other stuff is from military police, so it wont transfer over to where Im at now :(
 

fluff

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Sep 8, 2001
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BurlySurly said:
It got erased when I turned 18. Any other stuff is from military police, so it wont transfer over to where Im at now :(
Damn, that's unlucky. It used to be that if you stole a loaf of bread here you'd get free passage out to Oz. Now you just get sent on adventure weekends.
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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Oz is on my short list of possible N8 habitats... I could over look the socialized aspects of the Aussie gov and the whole driving on the wrong side of the road bit, for the right mix of hot babes and 4 wheeling opportunities.
 

ALEXIS_DH

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Jan 30, 2003
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bmxr said:
That's not what I said genius, I merely posed the hypothetical "fixed income" based on what Alexis was saying. If you can get a good enough job (that pays in US dollars, IMO), then you can live nicely anywhere.

My point is that you could make a decent living as a mechanic (or even a miner :p ) in the US, but I bet your quality of life would be different if you were living on the wages of a Peruvian miner. That's all. Hell, you never know; I might even have actual first-hand experience to base my opinion on :rolleyes:

All things considered, my opinion is that the best place to live is the US.

well, i guess i did not put my point right.

my point is, if your only capital is your labor, the best thing to do, is to go where the wages are the highest. obvious.
so if you are gonna work for somebody else, then the 1st world is the best way to go.

if your income is generated thru capitals other than your labor, then cheap places to live are the way to go. since profits are even a bit higher than in the US, since labor is very cheap.

So, if you have a 20% anual return in SA, on a medium sized joint instead of in the US. your money is worth a whole lot more.
what is considered a medium sized capital in SA, is peanuts in the US, so its
not big enough to make it very profitable if you account the higher fixed costs of the US.

plus you generate a few job opennings in a place where a lot of people need a job.

yeah, the US is a nice place. But it has much higher costs, which are not in terms of dollars only.

and after economics, if you price what it costs for you to live in a big city with lots of stuff to do, year round dh and surfing, against how much would that costs in the US.

and yeah, i lived in the US, i know its nice to feel like the universe was designed around your zip code, but overall, after trade offs, i think i get a better deal down here.

so yeah, if you were to be a miner, 1000x better to be a miner in the US. if you were going to be a mid size business owner. 1000x better here since for the same capital, your return will get a much higher standard of living here.
 

ohio

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Nov 26, 2001
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BurlySurly said:
In like flint!
In like Flynn...
Old movie reference.

I too am a fan of Australia. Never been there, but my office does exchanges and ambassadorships to Sydney, so it's a possibility. I feel kinship with any nation that wholeheartedly approves of it's national women's soccer team putting out a topless calendar as a fundraiser. And they're always talking about "the Bush." Sweet.
 

BurlyShirley

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Jul 4, 2002
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ohio said:
In like Flynn...
Old movie reference.

I too am a fan of Australia. Never been there, but my office does exchanges and ambassadorships to Sydney, so it's a possibility. I feel kinship with any nation that wholeheartedly approves of it's national women's soccer team putting out a topless calendar as a fundraiser. And they're always talking about "the Bush." Sweet.
The movie is called "In like Flint" dude.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061810/
 

BurlyShirley

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valve bouncer said:
Shirley mate.....it is "In Like Flynn" comes from the Tasmanian Nazi Errol Flynn, notorious womanizer and all-round cad.

WTF? Ive only ever heard "In like Flynt" and I just posted the dam link to the movie. What more do you want from me?
 

valve bouncer

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Feb 11, 2002
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BurlySurly said:
WTF? Ive only ever heard "In like Flynt" and I just posted the dam link to the movie. What more do you want from me?
Do you think the movie might perhaps have been a play on words of the original saying? Google it yaself mate.
 

BurlyShirley

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valve bouncer said:
Do you think the movie might perhaps have been a play on words of the original saying? Google it yaself mate.
I guess it could've been, but I dont care. I just wont use the saying anymore if it makes us all feel better.
 

valve bouncer

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BurlySurly said:
I guess it could've been, but I dont care. I just wont use the saying anymore if it makes us all feel better.
Well if it makes YOU feel better I used to say "In Like Flint"----until I was about 12.
So I guess I can chalk this one up in the win column then? :thumb:
 

BurlyShirley

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valve bouncer said:
Well if it makes YOU feel better I used to say "In Like Flint"----until I was about 12.
So I guess I can chalk this one up in the win column then? :thumb:
hey, i gotta new sig
 

Silver

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Jul 20, 2002
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Ciaran said:
Man... talk about thread degeneration...

I have always said "in like flint" as well.
I should see what my mom says...she always fvcks up those things:

"No sweat in the attic" and "Bleeding like a stuffed pig" were two of my favorites. I bet she says "In like Flint" as well...
 

BurlyShirley

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jdcamb said:
A job, a place to live, and some decent riding. I f'n hate this ****hole.....
Dude, you live in Rochester, and grew up in New Jersey...jesus, Id hate it too if i were you. But really, there are some places in the US that are not a **** hole. TN for example is a great place.
 

jdcamb

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BurlySurly said:
Dude, you live in Rochester, and grew up in New Jersey...jesus, Id hate it too if i were you. But really, there are some places in the US that are not a **** hole. TN for example is a great place.
Werd. Most of the jobs I can get are in Nashville too. They just don't pay well. By the way I grew up in Buffalo. Probably the one place even more ****ty then New Jersey. Quite possibly the ****tiest place in the US.....jdcamb
 

BurlyShirley

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jdcamb said:
Werd. Most of the jobs I can get are in Nashville too. They just don't pay well. By the way I grew up in Buffalo. Probably the one place even more ****ty then New Jersey. Quite possibly the ****tiest place in the US.....jdcamb

Dude, the thing about Nashville is that you dont need much money to live VERY comfortably. You can buy a tits house for $150,000 that would destroy anything in NY of similar price. Nice girls (if you're into that kind of thing) bad music, decent riding (year round) and best of all...well...i dont know of anything really good, but its cool. Thats where I grew up mostly.
 

jdcamb

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BurlySurly said:
Dude, the thing about Nashville is that you dont need much money to live VERY comfortably. You can buy a tits house for $150,000 that would destroy anything in NY of similar price. Nice girls (if you're into that kind of thing) bad music, decent riding (year round) and best of all...well...i dont know of anything really good, but its cool. Thats where I grew up mostly.
Tell me more about the girls. I got one here I would seriously consider leaving behind :devil: I like 'em real slutty too. I know Nashville well enough. Got friends there to. Just a matter of getting of the pot and doing something about it. I got balls as big as my head for most stuff. Just moving is kind of a scary proposition at this point in my life. Would you promise to ride with me once a week? j/k ....jdcamb
 

BurlyShirley

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jdcamb said:
Tell me more about the girls. I got one here I would seriously consider leaving behind :devil: I like 'em real slutty too. I know Nashville well enough. Got friends there to. Just a matter of getting of the pot and doing something about it. I got balls as big as my head for most stuff. Just moving is kind of a scary proposition at this point in my life. Would you promise to ride with me once a week? j/k ....jdcamb
Well, I cant guarantee you tail, but picture this. EVERY waitress downtown at every one of 100 live music bars is herself trying to be a big country music star. There are seriously hundreds of them from all over the country just looking to be noticed. Not all of them will freely admit it, but its the truth. These girls are lonely and hot.
Oh, and I live like 4 hours from Nashville right now, but I may be going to school there next semester, so Id ride with you for sure. What kind of work do you do?
 

Changleen

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Can we just do a quick sweep of people's professions? Not that I want (some of) you over here, but I am currently job searching myself right now - I'll post wages for each of your jobs over here in NZ. We are gagging for IT and Economics grads right now, as well as tradespeople.
 

BurlyShirley

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Changleen said:
Can we just do a quick sweep of people's professions? Not that I want (some of) you over here, but I am currently job searching myself right now - I'll post wages for each of your jobs over here in NZ. We are gagging for IT and Economics grads right now, as well as tradespeople.
Profession: College Student

However, I have graduated from a journalism school already and have essentially an associate's in journalism. For whatever that's worth.
 

Toshi

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Changleen said:
Can we just do a quick sweep of people's professions? Not that I want (some of) you over here, but I am currently job searching myself right now - I'll post wages for each of your jobs over here in NZ. We are gagging for IT and Economics grads right now, as well as tradespeople.
profession: med student. with a degree in cs. funny how that works out :D
 

fluff

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Changleen said:
Can we just do a quick sweep of people's professions? Not that I want (some of) you over here, but I am currently job searching myself right now - I'll post wages for each of your jobs over here in NZ. We are gagging for IT and Economics grads right now, as well as tradespeople.
IT Network Engineer, no degree, just 20 years of experience.
 

N8 v2.0

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Oct 18, 2002
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Degree in Electrical Engineering / Building Contractor - I own a home building biz and I do engineering work for the Dept of Defense.
 

zod

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Software Development/WebApplication Development (got a degree in Digital Cartography and GIS but I never used it) ;)
 

BurlyShirley

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N8 said:
Degree in Electrical Engineering / Building Contractor - I own a home building biz and I do engineering work for the Dept of Defense.
N8, get me a DoD job, Hook it up!
 

jdcamb

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BurlySurly said:
N8, get me a DoD job, Hook it up!
Dude your to smart to work for the DoD. They only hire the bottom feeders that can't get real jobs in the private sector. You would scratch out your eyes in frustration dealing with those skippies.....jdcamb
 

Westy

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Nov 22, 2002
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Degree in mechanical engineering. Work as a CNC Control Engineer. In a past life I was a glorified overpaid travelling wrench.
 

narlus

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hey toshi, i was actually looking forward to moving back to the US. there is certainly something to said for the great conveniences of US living, and the fact that stuff costs a ton less than in most of the western european countries. and the weather's generally better. that said, the myopia of the average US citizen is a tad disconcerting, as is the fundamentalist movement.

btw, i'm a chem eng by schooling, and have been involved in biotech for 15 years (either manufacturing or engineering).
 

Toshi

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narlus said:
hey toshi, i was actually looking forward to moving back to the US. there is certainly something to said for the great conveniences of US living, and the fact that stuff costs a ton less than in most of the western european countries. and the weather's generally better. that said, the myopia of the average US citizen is a tad disconcerting, as is the fundamentalist movement.
hmm. what about canada? it offers most of the american lifestyle...
 

narlus

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well, when you consider that toronto is the mediterranean of canada...

actually, i could live in/near vancouver, but aside from geographic details, you've got the socialized medicine and high taxes to get yr head around.

new zealand would be a cool place to live (at least the 3 weeks i spent there was really great), but it's pretty far frickin' away from everything else on the globe, so you'd hardly ever see any friends from a pre-kiwi existence. australia would be a similar fate, but still a pretty great place to live.

you are fairly fortunate in that your field makes it easy to move around if you want to (i'd imagine). emigration can be quite tough.
 

Changleen

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BurlySurly said:
Profession: College Student

However, I have graduated from a journalism school already and have essentially an associate's in journalism. For whatever that's worth.
Sorry Burly, In NZ you're not worth too much, although with a Journo qualification, you would definatly be able to get a job. Of course the nice thing over here is the gap between rich and poor is much smaller.
 

Changleen

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Toshi said:
profession: med student. with a degree in cs. funny how that works out :D
Once you become a Doc you can get a job anywhere in the world, but in NZ you would be looking at probably NZ$70-100K for a GP role. I don't know how much specialists earn.
 

BurlyShirley

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Changleen said:
Sorry Burly, In NZ you're not worth too much, although with a Journo qualification, you would definatly be able to get a job. Of course the nice thing over here is the gap between rich and poor is much smaller.
Hey, im not worth much here either. Thats why im back in school