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evilhotdog

evilhotdog

Chimp
Feb 21, 2004
32
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Courtice, Ontario
so i was riding along today and happened to launch off a small set when all of a sudden my derailluer (shimano xt)decided it wanted to meet my spokes.....well now it has been brutally murdered by my spokes (in half) and i need a new one......im on a budget (100 max for derail) whats the suggestions?
 
seismic

seismic

Turbo Monkey
Dec 22, 2003
3,254
0
South East Asia
I use a super short cage Ultegra after blowing away my XT....the Ultegra has a super stiff spring and shifts sooo much more presicely than my XT !
 
Sir_Crackien

Sir_Crackien

Turbo Monkey
Feb 7, 2004
2,051
0
alex. va. usa.
get the sram X.7 setup, even with new shifter and der it should be less than 100 bones. also sram ders seem to be much stronger(atleast the new ones) and their shimano counter part
 
lux

lux

Monkey
Mar 25, 2004
609
26
Wilmington, NC
seismic said:
I use a super short cage Ultegra after blowing away my XT....the Ultegra has a super stiff spring and shifts sooo much more presicely than my XT !
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Blew up the XTR on my Stab and a buddy had a new Tiagra. Slapped that puppy on and, man, the thing shifts like a dream. Real short cage too, so it's up outta the way.

http://store.airbomb.com/mmAIRBOMB/Images/large/q/RD4400.jpg

Best thing, it's only around $30 for when I bash it off my bike again.
 
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thaflyinfatman

Turbo Monkey
Jul 20, 2002
1,577
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Victoria
Sir_Crackien said:
get the sram X.7 setup, even with new shifter and der it should be less than 100 bones. also sram ders seem to be much stronger(atleast the new ones) and their shimano counter part
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I totally disagree, Sram derailleurs are dropping like flies. I killed 2 in a month (after never killing any shimanos for 2 years), and have watched all my mates who have Sram, also bend/crack/snap their ones. The Sram shifters also have issues, mine shat the bed somehow (quite literally whilst JRA, I shifted down a gear and the paddle didn't return and wouldn't downshift anymore after that) and I've seen two others also crap themselves. They shift heaps cleaner than Shimanos IMO, and are retardedly easy to set up (and don't get affected as much by mud IME), but they just don't last unfortunately. The new x9s may be slightly stronger, but I've already seen a couple of them go under :(
 
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animal 52

Chimp
Aug 23, 2002
74
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redical said:
Simano 105, balck , light, crisper shifts than XTR, $30-$35.
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I concur. Rode with a 105 for a bit. Shifts so much better than all the XT's I've owned. About 40 bills.
 
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JRogers

talks too much
Mar 19, 2002
3,785
1
Claremont, CA
I run an X.O on my XC bike and a Dura Ace on my DH, which used to be an XT and then a 105. The Dura Ace is the best but I am not "blown away" by the performance difference between any of them. If it were my money, I'd go for the 105. Good quality on the cheap.

As for the SRAM/Shimano debate: when will people learn!?!? There is no consensus for which is stronger for two reasons. First, most hits that end up destroying one, would also kill the other. Second, der's are like bones- all it takes is the right force in the right place for the whole thing to snap. I've had my bike catapult out and ghost ride down the trail, only to come to a crashing halt in a pile of rocks and nothing gets broken. Once I dropped my bike putting it into a car and broke a 105 der. It just happens.
 
redical

redical

Monkey
May 19, 2004
388
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Lighter, cripser, better shifting, and ability to run the shortest cage possible for less chainslap, less weight, less flex, lees chance of chain suck into spokes, and in the case of the Shimano 105, less money. whY WOULD YOU RUN ANYTHING ELSE?
 
dante

dante

Unabomber
Feb 13, 2004
8,807
9
looking for classic NE singletrack
from Jensonusa.com:

X.9 Medium Cage rear der, $50
X.7 Shifters, $45

Have beaten the everloving hell out of an X.7 and X.9 rear der all season and haven't had any problems. My X.7 shifter paddle "popped out" at one point, but I unscrewed the body, put the paddle back, and it has worked fine ever since. Hope this helps.
 
OGRipper

OGRipper

back alley ripper
Feb 3, 2004
10,762
1,283
NORCAL is the hizzle
As long as you're not running a triple or a very wide-spaced double, running a short cage rear der makes a lot of sense cuz you can run a shorter chain (less slop) and have more rear der clearance in the rocks. Personally I think the short-cage mtb rear ders feel more solid and last longer than the equivalent road versions, the mtb versions are just more stout. That means they can take hits better but also that they hold up better to long term use and crappy conditions (mud, dust, etc.). I ran a 105 for a while but after just a few months it was way sloppy, enough that I was missing shifts.

My fave is the prior generation short cage xtr (regular rise) but they're kind of pricey so I'd say get another xt or even an lx. My only experience with SRAM is from a few years ago, snapped a few of those plastic-body rear ders in short order so went back to Shimano, but I've heard the new SRAM stuff is much better.
 
dexter

dexter

Turbo Monkey
Sep 23, 2001
3,053
99
Boise, Idaho
sram xo or x9 with x7 shifter fro your price point. each race season in the past id destroy 3-5 xtr's or ultegra der's a season and all my xo's are going strong. i have a video of me on my street bike where i accidentally landed on my derailer doing a sprocket grind and ground i good 15 feet on it and it still shifts perfectly

ps i run an ultegra ti casset on my race bikes road stuff is money
 
fr-rider

fr-rider

Monkey
Aug 14, 2004
111
0
Albuquerque, NM
seismic said:
I use a super short cage Ultegra after blowing away my XT....the Ultegra has a super stiff spring and shifts sooo much more presicely than my XT !
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What type of cassette do you have to run with the Ultegra?
 
BikeFan84

BikeFan84

Monkey
Oct 27, 2004
302
0
D-Ville
Sir_Crackien said:
get the sram X.7 setup, even with new shifter and der it should be less than 100 bones. also sram ders seem to be much stronger(atleast the new ones) and their shimano counter part
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I love SRAM don't get me wrong, but my X-7 has pissed the bed alot lately. The dam$ thing went into my spokes, ripped off of my hanger, then just to be an a$$ it decided to kill itself, just from a simple bunny hop/drop like 2 feet if that. Nothing holds up for me, X-0 has been pretty good, but that is well out of your price range, with the shifter change and all. maybe just go to an XT or a Deore, and then save for the switch to X-0
 
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scurban

Turbo Monkey
Jul 11, 2004
1,052
0
SC
you don't need a road cassette to make a road derailer work, I used mine with a mtb cassette.

I got sick of breaking derailers though, so now I run my bike as a single speed.
 
OGRipper

OGRipper

back alley ripper
Feb 3, 2004
10,762
1,283
NORCAL is the hizzle
If you've only got one chain ring, chain length should not really be a problem because even a roadie rear der is built for a double chain ring set up. In my experience it's more about whether the top pulley will clear the biggest cassette cogs. You can use a short cage and a 32 if you only have one chain ring, you just need to turn in the pivot screw so the top pulley doesn't smack into the cog and run a short enough chain so there's no slack and the rear der clears all of the cassette cogs. People been doing it for years. Not sure about a 34, no personal experience, but I think it works too.

I run a double 22/36 (sometimes a 38) up front with an xtr "short" (which I guess is really a mid) cage and an 11-32 with no problems, works great. The roadie short cage is actually slightly shorter that an mtb "short."
 
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