what's the ACLU's problem with the cross?
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It's not like some dude or dudete that is employed by the state is on the street corner screaming in people faces "SINNER, NOW IS THE TIME TO COME COME TO JESUS!!!!"
Anyway, are those same ACLU folks offended by the Jewish star of David, or the Muslim Cresent.........on and on and on.
Anyway, are those same ACLU folks offended by the Jewish star of David, or the Muslim Cresent.........on and on and on.
but this is to prevent that very situation from unfolding - consider this pre-emption.
i also saw a blurb how they're railing against miami-dade cops for this wknd's outdoor thug-fest, cuz there's too many, which could indicate racial profiling. So it seems they care more about hurting some revelers' feelings than presenting a strong police presence to keep folks in line so they won't take a leak on some storefront, litter to excess, brawl, and other anonymous behaviour that comes from massive crowds.
i don't so much want them to burn in hell as i do in front of me. And i want them to defend my right to watch it.
I for one want "In God we Trust" on our money replaced with "L. Ron Hubbard was right!"
Blah blah blah, what does he know. Wasn't he kicked out of the UK for trying to film a satanic virgin sacrafice??? (I could be wrong)
Could it be because they have a "milk toast" faith with little conviction or commitment?
I don't know as I'm not totally familiar with the whole Scientology deal (so I could be wrong).
That's because they make money for them.
That doesn't mean that they aren't fvcking nutballs. The chick from Everybody loves Raymond is a scientologist as well, I think.
Like Pentagrams???? :devil:
Thank God for the ACLU!!! 
Seriously though, no religious symbol or reference should be anywhere near a government institution. To do so wipes away several hundred years of progress and brings us back to the Divine Right of Kings. The seal of LA is not the seal of God and they should not advertise it as such. The beauty of our system is that [in theory] it's a government for the people, by the people - not by God or any other god.
Seriously though, no religious symbol or reference should be anywhere near a government institution. To do so wipes away several hundred years of progress and brings us back to the Divine Right of Kings. The seal of LA is not the seal of God and they should not advertise it as such. The beauty of our system is that [in theory] it's a government for the people, by the people - not by God or any other god
Originally posted by BuddhaRoadkill
Thank God for the ACLU!!!
Seriously though, no religious symbol or reference should be anywhere near a government institution. To do so wipes away several hundred years of progress and brings us back to the Divine Right of Kings. The seal of LA is not the seal of God and they should not advertise it as such. The beauty of our system is that [in theory] it's a government for the people, by the people - not by God or any other god.
I agree - no religious symbols should be connected with govornment institutions - it should not be on the currency either. In God We Trust my ass - it's money that I want.
Originally posted by BuddhaRoadkill
Thank God for the ACLU!!!
Seriously though, no religious symbol or reference should be anywhere near a government institution. To do so wipes away several hundred years of progress and brings us back to the Divine Right of Kings. The seal of LA is not the seal of God and they should not advertise it as such. The beauty of our system is that [in theory] it's a government for the people, by the people - not by God or any other god.
It sears their corneas when viewed directly and unreflected, much as Holy Water burns their skin and the light of day sends them scurrying for darkness.
I'm going to be really disappointed in you when Scientologists end up with political control of a town or county and you start screaming foul...
Having said that, I think this one may be a mountain out of a molehill. It would be easier for everyone involved if you quietly went to them and said, hey, your seal isn't really constitutional...you might want to think about a redesign.
I'm in agreeance, sort of.
Same with currency and "In G-d..."
Thing is, all *new* seals, legislation, whatever need to be conscious of this stuff, but I see no reason to change anything in existence unless it encourages hate... like the rebel flag.
A cross on a seal really hurts no one.
I remember when I was young and impressionable and first moved to Portland. I was walking by the Scientologist building and was talked into a "free personality test". Well after wasting like 45 minutes taking the thing and having it analyzed, they proceeded to tell me that I was quite possibly the worst person i the world. The only way to fix myself was of course to pay them lots of money for classes. 
I have read that they actually think these problems are caused by a galactic overlord named Xenu. Who is currently trapped in some volcano somewhere.
I have read that they actually think these problems are caused by a galactic overlord named Xenu. Who is currently trapped in some volcano somewhere.
I can see were some people might see the cross as a symbol of intolerence and oppression - the religious just can't imagine that their ideals and actions would be offensive to anyone, after all - they are just trying to save our souls.
and eradicate the native population in the name of god..... oh but that was so 150 years ago..... moving on.....
Originally posted by Tenchiro
I remember when I was young and impressionable and first moved to Portland. I was walking by the Scientologist building and was talked into a "free personality test". Well after wasting like 45 minutes taking the thing and having it analyzed, they proceeded to tell me that I was quite possibly the worst person i the world. The only way to fix myself was of course to pay them lots of money for classes.
I have read that they actually think these problems are caused by a galactic overlord named Xenu. Who is currently trapped in some volcano somewhere.
are you ****ing serious? I know nothing of scientology, honestly, but I always see those dudes hanging outside their "temple" here. Always wondered what was up.
Xenu? You have to be ****ing kidding, right?
Holy crap...you are serious. Just googled it. WTF is wrong with people?
.........well i guess its no more unbelievable than jesus or something, but "xenu" that just begs to be fake.
Originally posted by BuddhaRoadkill
Thank God for the ACLU!!!
Seriously though, no religious symbol or reference should be anywhere near a government institution. To do so wipes away several hundred years of progress and brings us back to the Divine Right of Kings. The seal of LA is not the seal of God and they should not advertise it as such. The beauty of our system is that [in theory] it's a government for the people, by the people - not by God or any other god.
I suppose they should stop teaching grade schoolers about the missionaries that "founded" California too. The symbol of the cross is part of California's history. The missions built up and down the coast have meaning for many of the people in this state. Sure, we can deny that these buildings existed, condemn them to destruction(we wouldn't want the state protecting a religious/historical site, right?), but what good is denying a large part of our history?
The missionaries did some nasty things to the natives, but then again so did pretty much everyone. Regardless, the missionaries paved the road for California to be populated and taken over by settlers. You can't exactly claim that this is a bad thing.
Damn! I just realized, most major cities in California are named after Catholic Saints.....jesus H. Christ! We need to abolish them too, can't be giving anyone ideas
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