[Lelandjt]

Do you guys have any preference in brake mineral oil? Is there something that works best in all non-DOT brakes due to its viscosity or resistance to thermal break down? I heard once that Shimano oil is too thick, contributing to pump up, so some guys were using Reverb oil in their Shimano brakes.

 

[Gary]

Dunno about "best" but
Putoline HPX R 2.5W Premier Synthetic MX Fork Oil

 

[Nick]

I've heard of people running Pentosin mineral oil (auto grade) as it's more consistent at extreme temps, perhaps an "upgrade" but it could be placebo effect. YMMV. I just use the red Shimano oil (at least until the big shop jug runs out)

 

[canadmos]

My big red jug of Shimano oil is almost gone. It's only taken 12 or so years to use up.

 

[buckoW]

Bionol

https://trickstuff.de/bionol/?lang=en

 

[Jm_]

Dunno about "best" but
Putoline HPX R 2.5W Premier Synthetic MX Fork Oil

Yeah. I can't say it's distinctly better, but it's different...I still run it.

I did look up the SDS on Magura Blood fluid. The worst thing that happens if you drink it is you die.

 

[Flo33]

Guys, there is a thread about improving brakes and in the op's first post a link to a g drive spreadsheet. And in said file one can also find data on brake fluids. Thx to @Udi

Redline Like Water

 

[Lelandjt]

Thanks for the input guys.

 

[HardtailHack]

Bionol

https://trickstuff.de/bionol/?lang=en

Plant based and the boiling point is 420, fancy!

I use Juice Lubes Mineral Oil, it boils at 290 deg, about the same as a decent DOT 5.1, I have no idea if it's good but my bike stops when I pull the lever.

 

[norbar]

I've had great experience with Motul when I was using Saint m810s but I doubt it was the best. I just had a good deal on it from the times I used their dots

 

[Happymtb.fr]

I like bionol too, it smells and feels good on my hipster wannabe skin.

 

[StiHacka]

Looking at the price of Bionol, is it distilled from swollen hypothalamuses of pregnant mice?

 

[Happymtb.fr]

Looking at the price of Bionol, is it distilled from swollen hypothalamuses of pregnant mice?

Yes, after they eat a canola based diet for 2 full moon

 

[shirk007]

Aeroshell MIL-PRF-5606H

If it's good enough to aircraft brakes and meets military spec it's good enough for me. It's also $20 for a lifetime supply from Aircraft Spruce and I tagged it onto one of my 4130 tubing orders.

 

[Jm_]

Aeroshell MIL-PRF-5606H

If it's good enough to aircraft brakes and meets military spec it's good enough for me. It's also $20 for a lifetime supply from Aircraft Spruce and I tagged it onto one of my 4130 tubing orders.

I don't agree. The usage of aircraft brakes is radically different than something like a race car or high tempo autosport. After high braking effort stops, (RTO, high auto-brake levels) there are often required cool down periods where the aircraft is effectively grounded, even if it's ready to go, to wait for the brakes to cool down enough for another takeoff...with the possibility of rejecting that takeoff again (always a possibility). They are more like a one-time deal in that way. There's a little braking on the ground for taxiing, but it's nowhere near the system use during landing and that use is very different than braking in other applications IMO.

 

[boogenman]

I used to run sewing machine oil in my Magura rim brakes on my trials bikes. You're welcome that this is 0% helpful.

 

[toodles]

Its been years since i ran mineral oil brakes but I remember running Redline Likewater suspension oil in some which made them feel great. That is of course ignoring all the important stuff about brake fluid like boiling point etc, but its possibly comparable on those points anyway.

 

[Udi]

"Fluids" tab in spreadsheet here.

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

Hey @Udi , how important is it to not mix the Like Water with stock Shimano or Fininsh Line fluids? Can you just push it through until the stuff in the cup looks pretty clear?

 

[englertracing]

Hey @Udi , how important is it to not mix the Like Water with stock Shimano or Fininsh Line fluids? Can you just push it through until the stuff in the cup looks pretty clear?

That's percicely what I did.

 

[Sandwich]

Interesting to see that Magura is so similar to pentosin. I used to use pentosin 11 after a recommendation by everybody's favorite nutter Verdone. Worked fine in my hands, but back then shimano oil was unreasonably expensive. I think they lowered to price so mortals can buy it again. Pentosin seems to still be working fine in my XT brakes on the commuter, but that's not exactly pushed to the limit.

 

[jonKranked]

I used to run sewing machine oil in my Magura rim brakes on my trials bikes. You're welcome that this is 0% helpful.

a guy i used to ride trials with said he once bled his hs33s with baby oil in a pinch.

 

[Jm_]

a guy i used to ride trials with said he once bled his hs33s with baby oil in a pinch.

I tried that long time ago. Great if you want lever/pad retraction to take 20 seconds.

 

[Gary]

A long long time ago I filled HS33s with water once.
They were shite to begin with and I honestly didn't notice them becoming any worse for it.

 

[boostindoubles]

I'm about to pull the trigger on TRP brake fluid for my Shigura brakes. Thats right. Shimano levers, Magura calipers, TRP fluid.

I love a good three way.

 

[SylentK]

I'm about to pull the trigger on TRP brake fluid for my Shigura brakes. Thats right. Shimano levers, Magura calipers, TRP fluid.

I love a good three way.

Spread the love!

Let us know how it works out. Try not to leave a mess...if you know what I mean

 

[Westy]

I'm about to pull the trigger on TRP brake fluid for my Shigura brakes. Thats right. Shimano levers, Magura calipers, TRP fluid.

I love a good three way.

That is a four way unless you don't plan on fingering the rest of the party.

 

[boostindoubles]

That is a four way unless you don't plan on fingering the rest of the party.

I do like feathering the levers and try not to grab it all at once.

 

[Lelandjt]

I used to run sewing machine oil in my Magura rim brakes on my trials bikes. You're welcome that this is 0% helpful.

I filled some Magura rim brakes on a mod trials bike with water. They worked perfectly.

 

[Nick]

a guy i used to ride trials with said he once bled his hs33s with baby oil in a pinch.

I used J&J baby oil in my old M755s ... those brakes are STILL in use at what, 20 yrs old?

 

[Jm_]

I used J&J baby oil in my old M755s ... those brakes are STILL in use at what, 20 yrs old?

Supposedly, those brakes did not suffer from the wandering bite issues and were the best they ever made.

 

[Flo33]

Supposedly, those brakes did not suffer from the wandering bite issues and were the best they ever made.

Those were developed by and based on brakes from Grimeca, afaik.

 

[boogenman]

I filled some Magura rim brakes on a mod trials bike with water. They worked perfectly.

I remember a bunch of people doing that back then. I never tried it.

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

Finally got around to filling a set of Saint brakes with Redline Likewater.....

Holy crap, what a difference! They feel so snappy and responsive at the lever, almost like a new brake. Sooo nice!
$15 for a huge bottle.

The ride I did was pretty damn cold, temps in the low to mid 30's, and the brakes were unaffected. Previously using Shimano or Finish line mineral oil they would feel extra sluggish and the levers would pump up if pulled rapidly at those temps. All that is gone.

I have been running Shimano brakes for 15+ years, don't know why it took so long to find this out. Best upgrade ever, thanks @Udi !

 

[Jm_]

I don't see much difference with shimano at low to mid 30s, it's typically in the low teens to high singles that shit starts going sideways for pump-up and feel and then getting below 0 significantly it's basically on/off with zero lever travel. I do get the pump-up on the steeps earlier in the 30s...but that's kind of a linear problem that exists in hot temps too, just increases as temp decreases. When I changed to the HPX 2.5 wt, it was maybe a slight difference...but not substantial. The brakes still behaved more or less the same at the temps I described above.

Last ride was at 0-5F, hope brakes worked great...just like they do when it's 80F.

I do want some like-water for my Mastodon though. I have some light oil in there...but I don't think it's as light as Redline.

 

[Flo33]

Finally got around to filling a set of Saint brakes with Redline Likewater.....

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Holy crap, what a difference! They feel so snappy and responsive at the lever, almost like a new brake. Sooo nice!
$15 for a huge bottle.

The ride I did was pretty damn cold, temps in the low to mid 30's, and the brakes were unaffected. Previously using Shimano or Finish line mineral oil they would feel extra sluggish and the levers would pump up if pulled rapidly at those temps. All that is gone.
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I have been running Shimano brakes for 15+ years, don't know why it took so long to find this out. Best upgrade ever, thanks @Udi !

This matches my experience 1:1, best fluid I ever tried and also improving the mighty DRT.

 

[JerseyMojo]

Seen on Vital today they tested the BleedKit.com gold mineral oil and claimed that it did improve the WBP® issue feature. Anyone tried it?

 

[FOTB]

Does the 2020 update of redline likewater make the fluid too light? Causing piston leaks?

 

[daisycutter]

What is the record for the oldest thread revival?

 

[englertracing]

Does the 2020 update of redline likewater make the fluid too light? Causing piston leaks?

Been using it for years shimanos works fine