[Pegboy]

Well, we've established that you can count, it is just your sentence structure that seems to be lacking. This, of course, should be overlooked due to the fact that you are neither native or a citizen of this country. Enjoy your angry stay.

The reality is that the people who responded to my posts, that really do not indicate my political stance at all, prove my underlying assertion that political extremism from any side is absurd.

Really? Calling for a stop to the violence while calling people retards and morons? Really? Laws and regulations are going to solve problems caused by a society who has grown without accountability, a strong family structure and descent role models? Really?

Well sh1t, lets get to legislating. It has seemed to work so far. I just cant figure out how we've got all of this child pornography, illegal drugs, rape and people flooding into this country. That stuff is still illegal isn't it? I am not a full on liberal though, so I'm all retarded up. Hell, we even had a president declare a war on drugs. Maybe if he had put little targets on the drugs, or the dealers, people would have been able to figure out that they were supposed to gather up their arms and actually shoot them.

You read my post? Word number ten. It's important.

If you just woke up from a 20 year coma, my apologies.

 

[Silver]

Aww...can I make it up to you with a Happy Meal?

 

[3D.]

hey, stinkle, with all the righty/lefty/teatard/same bunch of fascist dirty old men and women bs aside; is not a bit odd that 1 of Gifford's 2 ytube subscriptions is Loughner's? if it was a recent hack/crack why is it still up? Been there for two days now.


edit: his subscription was deleted from her page on 1/11/11 with still no explanation of why she was subscribed to him, and if hacked, why was he there on 1/8/11.
cached from 1/8/11, he's on the bottom left

bumpy

 

[kidwoo]

Really? Calling for a stop to the violence while calling people retards and morons? Really?

Yes really


Do you know the difference calling someone a moron and calling them the cancer of america that needs a cure out of one side of your mouth and then out of the other making firearm jokes.........TO A NATIONAL AUDIENCE?

Like this for instance. This is not some photochop but a real screen capture from this moron's(ha!) page. The image on the left with shooteroo is from a random generator of becky's images, it's different every time. Go to his page and keep hitting refresh and you'll see what I mean. See how the two go so well together when not intricately manipulated?

See? $tinky's learning the difference:

you stay classy, unaffiliated, random, non-ideologues who ascribe to no discernable or predictable movement whatsoever.

you brood of unitarian busmen

Hey $tink: that youtube clip goes all downhill after wishing sarah palin dick cancer right? It started so strongly.......... I only lasted about another 5 or 6 before giving up.

 

[sanjuro]

Love this thread!

 

[$tinkle]

looks like the first shot is fired in the war against free (albeit tasteless) speech: Arizona lawmakers pass funeral protest legislation

i'm sure this will trigger a hail of protest from tucker carlson types, as speech which is lewd or incites violence is already illegal, right? never quite fully understood how teh phelptards were able to get away w/ their antics all these years, esp w/ the prolific use of "fags" on their placards

3D., i still don't get your point. if that was intentional, nicely played

 

[kidwoo]

looks like the first shot is fired in the war against free (albeit tasteless) speech: Arizona lawmakers pass funeral protest legislation

i'm sure this will trigger a hail of protest from tucker carlson types, as speech which is lewd or incites violence is already illegal, right? never quite fully understood how teh phelptards were able to get away w/ their antics all these years, esp w/ the prolific use of "fags" on their placards

3D., i still don't get your point. if that was intentional, nicely played

Really though........ I mean you know this is for westboro only...... in response to their claims that they would be there. My only problem with it is that it doesn't mention them specifically. And/or doesn't include medieval catapults full of cow shlt to hurl at them.

 

[3D.]

3D., i still don't get your point.

Simple… before turning an unfounded supposition into conclusion that this nut bag hunted Giffords down solely due to hateful rhetoric and violence inducing graphics conveyed from the “extreme right”, stop for a minute and comprehend that the left and the right work in unison to keep this country divided and hopelessly confused. While some of you eloquently bicker and competitively paraphrase one another to death about which political figure head is responsible for invoking this type of behavior in a person, your failing to realize that this kid was just a crazed lunatic who was done with having his government turn their backs on the people of this country, and chose to handle it in his own way; sadly it was an irrational and horribly violent one.

Throwing sand in each others eyes from either side of the isle and carrying on in a way that resembles the dumb bitches from “The View” does nothing for rectifying the underlying problems associated with why our country will be resorting to these types of methods more and more in the very near future. Naturally Beck, Palin, and their subordinates will attempt to proliferate this fervor, but there is little that can be done to truly inhibit this type of human behavior, unfortunately it is intrinsic to mans' way of life especially in times of overwhelming distress and perplexity. This country is fvcked right now and the narrow minded arguments between dems/repubs are exactly what is needed to keep everyone pissed off and disoriented while our civil liberties constitutional rights are furthered stripped from us on a daily basis. Peeps need to realize that the bird of prey relies on both the right wing and the left wing to swoop down upon it’s unsuspecting victim.

If it is a must that you play the presumptuous internet detective while roll playing as your own judge and jury, then at least ask yourselves some of the very obvious questions that truly need to be asked amidst any sound investigation. Questions like:

If her personal congressional office was most recently shot up with gun fire, why send her into a large public parking lot for a speech in front of a moderate sized crowd with zero protection or security?

Why was one of her only two youtube subscriptions issued to the man who tried to murder her?

Why was he on there as one of her subscriptions as of 1/8/11 while she had a previous login date of “2 days ago” stated in her stats? Even if it was a staffer or a hacker the login date would reflect the procedure which is indicating that she or someone else subscribed to his channel before he tried to assassinate her. Odd?

Why was he left as a sub for three days before being deleted, while there was an outcry from many non-mainstream media sources publicly asking why? There still has been no explanation.

You shouldn’t be at all surprised that there was more anti-gun legislation and new obama backed internet regulations brought forth as early as Monday morning, less than 48hrs after this god awful incident.

 

[X3pilot]

Just to keep it fair and balanced since no one can agree that if everyone, left and right, would just STFU and realize that something, anything was going to set this nut off...

Dem Congressman who called for GOP Gov. to be put against a wall and shot now pleads for civility

 

[MikeD]

^^^ i hope his bunkie knows the rule: "crazy in the head; crazy in bed"

(working title: "12 monkeys on seroquel")

I said it before and I'll say it again for the old-timers on the board.

DRUNKEN_****IN'_NINJA. C'mon, someone remembers his posts and rants, which were about as coherent as this rambling bull****...?

 

[kidwoo]

I said it before and I'll say it again for the old-timers on the board.

DRUNKEN_****IN'_NINJA. C'mon, someone remembers his posts and rants, which were about as coherent as this rambling bull****...?

Yeah yeah I get it.


DJ's canadian though.



oops....just saw 3ds post. I mean a canadian who works indirectly for obama to introduce gun and internet control regulation, who's a freind and ally of the system put in place to keep me arguing like star jones who's trying a second time to deliberately get shot because it didn't work the first time, but is too stupid to cover his tracks on the internet with 'friend' requests on youtube.

I think I got it now.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Smoke & Mirrors!! Smoke & Mirrors!! Illuminati!!!! Bilderbergs!!! ROSWELL!! Do you HEAR ME??!?! ROSWELL!!!!

Exactly what we need more of. I really with the government had a mind eraser a la Men in Black. It would make life so much easier. I'd just zap myself every couple of weeks and *BAM*, like an etch-e-sketch, I'd be ready to start over. Life would be bliss.

 

[kidwoo]

Exactly what we need more of. I really with the government had a mind eraser a la Men in Black. It would make life so much easier. I'd just zap myself every couple of weeks and *BAM*, like an etch-e-sketch, I'd be ready to start over. Life would be bliss.

That's just what they want you to want.

 

[$tinkle]

couple Q for 3D:
- have you ever been persuaded from a radical position to a more mainstream one using simple logic, like occam's razor? think: moon landing, aids targeting inner city blacks, etc.
- if the left & right work in unison, yet compete so convincingly neither see it that way, are you suggesting they are both a particle and a wave at teh same time? if so, you must devise a 'slot test' to confirm their quantum entanglement



for the rest of the class:
+rep for viewing *and* listening straight through, 1st try:

NSFW

 

[Pesqueeb]

couple Q for 3D:
- have you ever been persuaded from a radical position to a more mainstream one using simple logic, like occam's razor? think: moon landing, aids targeting inner city blacks, etc.
- if the left & right work in unison, yet compete so convincingly neither see it that way, are you suggesting they are both a particle and a wave at teh same time? if so, you must devise a 'slot test' to confirm their quantum entanglement



for the rest of the class:
+rep for viewing *and* listening straight through, 1st try:

NSFW

Stephen Hawking sees what you did there.

Were twitter and facebook down? I couldn't even press play on that dumb bimbo.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

7:43 of "Ugh..."

I don't hate myself that much. Not until my third dirty martini anyway...

Quantum entanglement...heh...

 

[MikeD]

DJ's canadian though.

Just what the Bilderbergs want you to think.

 

[kidwoo]

Oh crap I do think that!

How do I unthink?

 

[MikeD]

Oh crap I do think that!

How do I unthink?

what has been think cannot be unthunk

 

[$tinkle]

loughner was stopped, warned about running red light saturday morning

mcveigh much?

 

[kidwoo]

loughner was stopped, warned about running red light saturday morning

mcveigh much?

Oh man!


If he'd only been mexican!

 

[$tinkle]

he had a license, so like his gun ownership, he was law abiding

 

[kidwoo]

he had a license, so like his gun ownership, he was law abiding

Yeah but he still would have been mexican in arizona.


Which I'm pretty sure is completely illegal, or at least will be soon. So he probably wouldn't have a license being mexican and all. Probably would have had a better haircut too.

 

[kidwoo]

Just found this

If there were ever a place leading the argument that an armed citizenry prevents gun crimes, arizona would be it.

And yet...........

Gabrielle Giffords and the perils of guns: How an armed hero nearly shot the wrong man.

The new poster boy for this agenda is Joe Zamudio, a hero in the Tucson incident. Zamudio was in a nearby drug store when the shooting began, and he was armed. He ran to the scene and helped subdue the killer. Television interviewers are celebrating his courage, and pro-gun blogs are touting his equipment. "Bystander Says Carrying Gun Prompted Him to Help," says the headline in the Wall Street Journal.

But before we embrace Zamudio's brave intervention as proof of the value of being armed, let's hear the whole story. "I came out of that store, I clicked the safety off, and I was ready," he explained on Fox and Friends. "I had my hand on my gun. I had it in my jacket pocket here. And I came around the corner like this." Zamudio demonstrated how his shooting hand was wrapped around the weapon, poised to draw and fire. As he rounded the corner, he saw a man holding a gun. "And that's who I at first thought was the shooter," Zamudio recalled. "I told him to 'Drop it, drop it!' "

But the man with the gun wasn't the shooter. He had wrested the gun away from the shooter.

http://www.slate.com/id/2280794/

So the guy who tackles Douchy Mcneverlaidmuch almost got popped. Nice. And what happened still happened.

Now just imagine the clusterfvck of a quick cop response and 9 armed people all waving around their blue steel wieners.

 

[-BB-]

Of course this dude is crazy:

Dang it... I cant remember any movie he was in, but this dude looks exactly like the guy that was in so many of those cheap 80's and 90's "horror" movies.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Of course this dude is crazy:

Dang it... I cant remember any movie he was in, but this dude looks exactly like the guy that was in so many of those cheap 80's and 90's "horror" movies.

looks like a combo between eraserhead and pinhead from hellraiser...

 

[Beef Supreme]

Yeah, there is nothing to see here. There is certainly no cause for introspection by the hard right.

Miller, a 43-year-old Ahwatukee Foothills resident and former campaign worker for U.S. Sen. John McCain, was re-elected to a second one-year term last month. He said constant verbal attacks after that election and Internet blog posts by some local members with Tea Party ties made him worry about his family's safety....

The first and only African-American to hold the party's precinct chairmanship, Miller said he has been called "McCain's boy," and during the campaign saw a critic form his hand in the shape of a gun and point it at him.

"I wasn't going to resign but decided to quit after what happened Saturday," Miller said. "I love the Republican Party but I don't want to take a bullet for anyone."

To the GOP - Good luck sweeping your crazies back under the rug. Seriously, I mean that.

 

[stevew]

Oh man!


If he'd only been mexican!

then it would have been revenge...seeing as how she was for tougher border security.

 

[Dogboy]

Dang it... I cant remember any movie he was in, but this dude looks exactly like the guy that was in so many of those cheap 80's and 90's "horror" movies.

Ron Howard's brother Clint?

 

[Pegboy]

Look, I am not some extreme right or left guy, and I would say my opinions on various subjects would certainly cross party lines. I am also not a big 'NRA arm the masses' guy, but I am also not anti gun.

You really have proven no point at all. The guy didn't shoot the wrong guy, in fact he handled himself as one would hope. I am sure if he was a police officer the same exact thing would have happened.

To play devils advocate, which I know will sound insane to the majority of you, what if the same guy was in the crowd and not around the corner when shots were fired? What if he was right behind Capt. nut job? All of the pro gun guys would be thumping their chests claiming that the citizen got his man and the anti gun crowd would find a way to fault him.

My whole original point was, that using politics to explain or condemn is ludicrous in this situation.

Better question at this point is, what is the over/under that this guy gets off on an insanity plea?

Just found this

If there were ever a place leading the argument that an armed citizenry prevents gun crimes, arizona would be it.

And yet...........





http://www.slate.com/id/2280794/

So the guy who tackles Douchy Mcneverlaidmuch almost got popped. Nice. And what happened still happened.

Now just imagine the clusterfvck of a quick cop response and 9 armed people all waving around their blue steel wieners.

 

[-BB-]

Ron Howard's brother Clint?

No... It is a dude that looks likda like the guy from Goonies, but not that dude. he always has a bald head and that twisted smile.

FUG... this is buggin me

 

[-BB-]

OK... I found him. I can get back to work now.

Vs

Funny thing is that as I was searching for images of him there was a shot of Clint Howard with this Berryman's name under it.

 

[kidwoo]

then it would have been revenge...seeing as how she was for tougher border security.

The fist in your avatar dropped its peyote.

You really have proven no point at all.

That's true if you don't read or understand the first statement I made in that post. And if you dont' realize I posted an article to elaborate further.

I'll start here: What could arizona have possibly done at this point that it hasn't already, to create a MORE friendly environment to arming the citizenry? It's one of the easiest states around to own and carry a gun in. And not jack **** happened because of it. Actually quite a worse outcome came very nearly to pass. We're pretty lucky that the guy coming from inside the store isn't a survivalist freak waiting to get his justice on™ that a large percentage of gun owners are. And don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about.

So AGAIN, the whole get every single person a gun argument falls flat because short of handing the damn things out on a street corner, Arizona should be the one place that this scenario should be allowed to play out. To my knowledge it really never has anywhere. Besides, you do know that argument was fabricated by Frank Lutz types who work for the NRA who in turn get money from companies that make the things right? It's not like joe schmoe with nothing to gain financially just had a brilliant idea. Yeah yeah, second amendment this and that.......English royalty ain't coming for us.

 

[Silver]

So, for all the "new reasonableness" concern trolls, and Jonathan Leibowitz, I have to ask:

Y'all happy with Palin comparing criticism of herself to blood libel? Reasonable, indeed. The lie that Jews kidnap and murder Christian children for their blood is the same as pointing out that overheated rhetoric isn't helpful. You betcha!

 

[Pegboy]

KW-Im not completely disagreeing with you but I do know of a few instances locally where intruders were shot by home owners. A woman I work with loves to point out these instances because she IS the NRA type and thinks that I side with her.

Should it be a surprise that pistols did not appear out of nowhere at a democratic rally? I'm not claiming the outcome would have been better or worse, but I'm sure it would have been different if it was TeaPalin rally.

 

[kidwoo]

KW-Im not completely disagreeing with you but I do know of a few instances locally where intruders were shot by home owners. A woman I work with loves to point out these instances because she IS the NRA type and thinks that I side with her.

I'm talking more about multiple shootings in public places. Home is a little different. And shooting an intruder isn't always 'shooting an armed intruder who was going to hurt you'.

Should it be a surprise that pistols did not appear out of nowhere at a democratic rally? I'm not claiming the outcome would have been better or worse, but I'm sure it would have been different if it was TeaPalin rally.

Honestly, I just picture a bunch of fat clumsy oafs just shooting each other up if that were the case.

But that's the thing that gives me both the creeps and some solace in all this. On one hand, it's easy for me to stay out of texas/arizona/idaho/montana. On the other hand the constant gun totin chest beating bullshlt that masquerades as patriotism (now on a nationwide scale) at some point ALWAYS spills over into violence against people who just want to do their thing. Even if that's not the case here, there's a reason that half the world's first thought was 'teabagger douche' when hearing the news. The constant dehumanizing that goes on with perceived 'enemies of the state' (IE fellow americans who vote differently than you), eeks ever and ever closer to an active engagement of one side vs the other. I'm literally scared of a large percentage of this country who can't watch fox news and NOT want to go grab a gun, horde gold, and get ready to defend some vague sense of american duty that's not actually being threatened.

I'm just waiting for one of my neighbors to flip out and shoot me because he saw a bumper sticker that made him angry. The only reason these idiots are being courted is for votes. There are consequences to that though. Palin taking down all her little incriminating catch phrases and graphics shows that she (more likely her handlers) know it too. If they really were so innocent, they'd still be up and their authors could stand behind them.

"survey marks" Yeah, I use survey equipment regularly. That's not what those were.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Guess I'm in the "sometimes people are just fvcking crazy and kill people" camp.

While it's true some of his ramblings hint at the usual teabagger paranoia, there seems to be a lot of other nonsensical garbage going on there to that doesn't jive with a strictly wing-nut point of view. Could "angry rhetoric" have contributed to this retard's actions? I suppose, but Im certainly not about to argue that it was so, because there's no real evidence of that being the case.

I thought Sanjuro summed a big part of this up quite nicely several pages ago:

From a pragmatic standpoint, liberals don't use gun-imagery, speak in veiled tones about 2nd Amendment corrections, and suggest violent revolution.

Many Republicans do.

My interest is how Republicans talk about this and what they say in the future.

Palin is the perfect example. She lives in a world of guns, and she has embraced it as a political tool. She thought it was cute to use bullseyes to target her political opponents, and now she has to deal with the fallout.

All true, and smartly doesn't go so far as to say she's actually responsible for this atrocity in any way, just because some graphic she probably isn't even capable of creating herself was posted on a webpage one time.

Anyway,

Part of being a reasonable person includes not making snap judgments or extrapolative conclusions about random events (OMG some birds died, clearly the end is nigh!!! / It's snowing outside OMG, clearly Global Warming is a myth!!!). If there's an uptick in this kind of violence against "liberals" or government officials in general, maybe I'll buy into the idea that heated political rhetoric is related, but assassinations happen from time to time in this country, and I haven't seen any evidence that they're on the increase. If anything, we were probably due for one.

 

[kidwoo]

While it's true some of his ramblings hint at the usual teabagger paranoia, there seems to be a lot of other nonsensical garbage going on there to that doesn't jive with a strictly wing-nut point of view.

Just between you and me I don't really care if it did or not, but I figure this a good opportunity to advance my own personal "guns should be illegal because people are too stupid to handle them" and "less violent people with guns who think they're serving america based on what glenn beck told them" motives.

Because like I said earlier, if we can cut down on that crap we can zero in on real issues and I can rest a little easier not having to worry that some fat white guy is going to shoot my face off 5 minutes after sean hannity goes off the air.

 

[MikeD]

The fact that a bunch of fat oafs didn't shoot each other, or that an armed citizen on the scene properly discriminated targets in a chaotic situation hardly speaks towards this tragedy being a poster incident for gun control.

 

[kidwoo]

The fact that a bunch of fat oafs didn't shoot each other, or that an armed citizen on the scene properly discriminated targets in a chaotic situation hardly speaks towards this tragedy being a poster incident for gun control.

Buncha peeps got killed yo.

And one retard in particular obviously had access to firearms he prolly shouldnta.

Is this the part where we ignore that this kind of thing almost never happens in other countries that aren't stuck in the 1700s?