Whats up with this?
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Dude, if you can answer the "why" of that, please go into psychiatry because you can probably help a lot of people.mack said:
There is no real "why" - and it's true, many people (guys and girls) do it.
why:
need of attention & low self esteem & immaturity
need of attention & low self esteem & immaturity
I cut my left hand off about a year ago beacause of problems
That simple, eh?douglas said:
Hope you don't ever try and counsel anyone I know...
douglas said:
those are all fantastically cliche and shortsighted ideas of why someone would take out a blade and cut themsleves open.
there are about a million and one reasons that people cut themselves. I used to do it. I'm still not exactly sure why. i was miserable, and it felt good. i didnt want any attention though and spent most of my jr. highschool career in pants and long sleeves so no one would notice.
i cut myself all the time with utility knives, and smash my fingers with my hammer, and burn myself with hot tar, and all kinds of crap. Get a job in construction you'll get your fix and then some. 
binary visions said:
why not? (remember, we are talking about kids)
douglas said:
I think that pretty much sums it up.laura said:
One of my college roommates was always cutting herself. It was purely sexual though.
Had someone once tell me that some drugs (Extasy, club drugs) that make you super aware, and have heightened sensations actually sort of "dull" nerve endings over time. So what happens is some people start feeling numb all over, and cut themselves to feel something. One possible reason.
Methinks it's easier to go out for a ride. May still draw blood, though.
Methinks it's easier to go out for a ride. May still draw blood, though.
binary visions said:
so how many mature, confident & (with a mindset of not needing/wanting or could care less about getting more attention) people do you know that cut themselves??
correlation does not equal causation
I don't think maturity has much to do with it. I spent the better portion of my high school years pretty well depressed (we'll leave it at that for now). Whether it's cutting, burning, suicide, whatever - it has more to do with profound unhappiness than a lack of self confidence, though often times the two go hand in hand. Generally confident people (who can't relate to people who are depressed) blame these types of actions on a lack of self confidence. You can be confident and unhappy - think about how you would feel if you got fired, had you bike(s) stolen, broke up wiht a significant other, had a family member die, etc. For lack of a better explanation, the only difference between you being depressed over those things and someone else being depressed that they can't fit into a size 4 is that it's generally considered OK to be depressed over all those other things.
I've never been the most confident person in the world, but I've never really had problems with confidence. In HS, I never fit in with the "in" crowd, and that really bothered me, even though I though I was a pretty decent human being and a rather good person in general. The fact that I wasn't part of the in crowd (which was what I wanted most at the time) had a significant effect on my overall happiness, and I did some things to myself that I'm not exactly proud of. Fortunately, I quit giving a f*** what others think of me before I did any permanent damage to myself.
I've never been the most confident person in the world, but I've never really had problems with confidence. In HS, I never fit in with the "in" crowd, and that really bothered me, even though I though I was a pretty decent human being and a rather good person in general. The fact that I wasn't part of the in crowd (which was what I wanted most at the time) had a significant effect on my overall happiness, and I did some things to myself that I'm not exactly proud of. Fortunately, I quit giving a f*** what others think of me before I did any permanent damage to myself.
That's it right there... it's all about a person's mindset - but it doesn't always have to do with attention.douglas said:
jacksonpt said:
I have to agree with what you said...........I know what it is like to be depressed, and how difficult it is to climb out of that bottomless hole that you feel you are living in.
Your argument is not logical. You can't turn statements around like that.douglas said:
You can't say that just because mature, confident people who don't need attention don't cut themselves, means that people who cut themselves are immature, unconfident, and need attention.
People who don't drive cars, don't get into car accidents. But that doesn't mean that driving cars is the cause of car accidents.
thats the biggest load of crap i've ever heard on here.Nate at RIT said:
Ecstasy does not 'dull' nerve endings.
in fact, NO drug will 'dull' nerve endings over time, and Certainly not any recreationably used drug.
the only thing you might be able to infer from ecstasy, is that if over used, it sometimes will cause depression. and if someone has a tendancy to cut while depressed, and they just came down from a weekend rave bender, then yea.. maybe. but it will not be caused by ecstasy, or any other club drug
Actually, from what I understand, ecsasy can cause a permanent semi-depressed state if used over and over because it over-stimulates the centers of your brain that make you happy/feel good (seretonin receptors, I believe?) and eventually starts destroying them.penguinofdoom said:
That's a little off-topic, though
binary visions said:
so if nobody drove a car again, there would still be car accidents?
and by the way I can say anything I want to !!!
Ah, I see, and tell me - how does that make you feel?Skookum said:i cut myself all the time with utility knives, and smash my fingers with my hammer, and burn myself with hot tar, and all kinds of crap. Get a job in construction you'll get your fix and then some.
Ah FFS - I thought you were just here to whine at DW the other day, oh well, I guess I could really have found more productive things to do at work anyway...penguinofdoom said:
No, there wouldn't. But by that argument, what we'd need to do is get rid of all sharp objects.douglas said:
You're not curing the problem, you're getting rid of the instrument. If you got rid of cars, inattentive people would ride bikes and crash just the same. If you got rid of sharp objects, these people who cut themselves would find another way to vent whatever emotion it is that makes them do it.
And you're welcome to say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean it's valid
Just thought your argument could be helped w/ a visual aid...binary visions said:You're not curing the problem, you're getting rid of the instrument. If you got rid of cars, inattentive people would ride bikes and crash just the same.
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Hahahahah.s1ngletrack said:
Trip to Germany... $2500
Cab ride to the city... $18
Camera for the trip... $50
Film for the camera... $3
Accidentally capturing the moment where a biker gets own3d by a lamp post... Priceless.
binary visions said:No, there wouldn't. But by that argument, what we'd need to do is get rid of all sharp objects.
You're not curing the problem, you're getting rid of the instrument. If you got rid of cars, inattentive people would ride bikes and crash just the same. If you got rid of sharp objects, these people who cut themselves would find another way to vent whatever emotion it is that makes them do it.
well, if I was a doctor I'd just write a script for prozac
RBA! (right back atcha)binary visions said:And you're welcome to say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean it's valid
If you all are interested in this type of activity, you need to listen to more Type O Negative and the like. Peter Steele is famous for his self-inflicted razor etchings.
Quite a different phenomenon than attention-craving pleas for help, and more like tattooing, piercing, branding, etc. I did a real cool one of a crucifix on my left bicep at 14, but it faded in time so I eventually covered it up with a tattoo. I never spoke of it or showed it to anybody and my reasons for doing so had nothing to do with self-loathing, insecurity, sex or profound wimpishness...
Quite a different phenomenon than attention-craving pleas for help, and more like tattooing, piercing, branding, etc. I did a real cool one of a crucifix on my left bicep at 14, but it faded in time so I eventually covered it up with a tattoo. I never spoke of it or showed it to anybody and my reasons for doing so had nothing to do with self-loathing, insecurity, sex or profound wimpishness...
I actually had a doctor accuse me of cutting myself because of some scars I had on my shoulders. I told him that I just ride a bike a lot and tend to crash on occasion. He didn't beleive me and I ended up getting a new dr.
I had friends in just about every crowd. I'm a very easy going guy, and never really had problems in that area. I did have a friend who was extremely well liked. Played Football, had a bad ars lifted Jeep. Basically, he had everything the guys not in the "in" crowd wanted. For some reason he was depressed too. But why??? He was in the right crowd apparently. I never knew though. He cut his wrist twice. I think for attention form his dad. It came to a point we asked him WTF? He said he didn't know, some times he just gets depressed, and feels like killing his self. Well we were in highschool, and it probably wasn't the best method, but one night hangin out the topic came up again. Some one asked if he felt like killing his self why did he call 911 right after you did it. Why didn't he just sit there and die? He didn't know. One of my other friends said well, next time if there is...Cut your wrist the right way, don't call 911. Basically, put up or shut up. I don't know if he's still alive, because we never stayed in touch, but he never tried to kill his self for the next 3 years I knew him. It's funny how the grass is always greener when your in high school. I had some great times, and some bad times in HS, but I've never felt like hurting myself until I got married...HAHA j/k. I had to end this with a joke. Too depressing.
Westy said:
I had some on my shoulder in HS too. My mom said what the heck are these...I didn't have the balls to tell her from last night baby!!!
Never had a desire to kill myself - but I always thought that , if I were going to, I would want to load myself with explosives, attach a detonator to a (150 foot) rip cord, attach the rip cord to the top of the tallest building within jumping distance of the 16th street mall here in Denver, and jump off of it . Of course, I'd probably get distracted while building everything in the garage and end up working on a bike or something instead...
I had the exact same thing happen with the first chick I was with - told my dad that I fell rock climbing (I'm sure that he really believed me). It was bad enough that the entire experience was uh...unsuccessful, but makes for a good story anyhow since I had marks for about a month afterward.JSB said:
Definitely...My problem was I didn't even know they were there. I think that's where I look like I was lieing. It was like what the heck are those from...What!? Oh Shat! Uh....Blah Blah Blah. Then the look.s1ngletrack said: