[Echo]

So let me get this straight. I've spent the last 22 years or so in the computer industry, and worked my way up to where I make a decent living, own a house, nice car, etc. My main passion in life is bicycles, and has been for a long time. I've had limited success at various types of racing but will never be a pro or anything close to it.

You're saying that I should ride a piece of crap? I don't deserve King hubs or carbon bars or a Fox fork? I don't deserve a Bianchi road bike or a Nicolai DH bike? I don't deserve a Kink BMX bike?

Damn, I guess I'll throw it all away and get a huffy.

 

[Transcend]

On mtbr in the turner forum. Just look at ride pics, 4-5 foot drop to flat after 4-5foot drop to flat.

I guess most of them are not snobs, because they don't trash talk lesser bikes. I would call them posers more than anything.

Sure it's nice to have them dumping money into the bike industry, but those types of buyers just drive up the prices for us poor folks. If there weren't so many people willing to drop $700+ on a fork, then they wouldn't be selling for that much.

IN the end, it's really the posers that bug me just as much as the snobs. You know, the guys who say anything under $2000 for a dual suspension is trash and not worthy, yet they only ride their $4000 bike at 30% of what it's capable of.

What I find humorous, is the Turner guys going to DH FR equipment on their 6 packs WHILE still rocking the egg beaters and lightweight components for riding uphill.


Over 80% of penis enlargement surgeries are to impress other men at the gym. It's not often that men get them enlarged for their girl's pleasure which in fact women don't care about size as much as how you use it. How's that much different than buying freeride equipment for XC riding? Seems the forums are the gym to show off at, and the actual need for it on the trail isn't there.

HUmans are sillyink:

Dude, get over yourself.

What most of us here find funny, is peole who obssess over how others spend their money.

 

[bluebug32]

So, again, the question is, who cares?

If it makes 'em happy, let 'em do it. If they're riding at 10% or 90% of the bike's capability, they're happy with what they're doing.

I enjoy wrenching on bikes, and if I ever lost the capacity to ride, I'd probably want to still wrench on them. If I bought project bikes, built them and sold them, would that make me a poser? No? What if I held onto them for a year in between building and selling it? If not, how is that different from what these guys are doing?

Let people spend money on what they want to spend money on. It doesn't affect you in the least.

The voice of reason has spoken.

But, question. Does your logic transfer over to people who spend their existence on pavement and never see anything that resembles a mountain or an off-road trail and still insist on driving a huge SUV.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Well first of all, having people willing to spend retarded amounts of money on gear DOES effect us all. They in turn drive up prices. They wouldn't be trying to sell forks for so much if no one paid those prices.

I ride a 6pack geared to the teeth with high end components. Most of the parts I buy are last years and on sale. I don't care about having the latest toy to show off on the forums. I also ride the snot out of my gear like it was made for doing. I do upwards of 10 foot drops on my pack/boxxer setup, yet you will never see me bragging with photos.

That's what sets people apart. Having a nice bike doesn't make you a snob or poser. Having a nice bike just to be "better" than others makes you a snob.

 

[stinkyboy]

Damn, I guess I'll throw it all away and get a huffy.

You could donate it...

 

[Transcend]

The voice of reason has spoken.

But, question. Does your logic transfer over to people who spend their existence on pavement and never see anything that resembles a mountain or an off-road trail and still insist on driving a huge SUV.

Off-topic, but i think the difference there is that their gas guzzling DOES have an effect on everyone around them, and their land yaghts are dangerous to anyone else on the road in anything smaller then a tank.


That'd just be my wild guess though.

 

[Spokompton]

ok, you guys are taking me the wrong way. I don't care what people buy, crappy or good.

I just get irritated by the guys who buy expensive bikes just to show them off and tell others their bike sucks because it was last years or costs less.

My bike is in the $3700 range. I don't post pictures of my bike or myself for gratification. I just ride the piss out of it.


I think a lot has to do with age. A lot of the turner guys are older 30+ and are getting slooooow with age. Likewise, they all have decent jobs where they can afford to blow spare money on parts. If there's money burning a hole in the wallet, then why not, huh? OK, all cool, but please don't take the high horse approach to others.

That's all Im saying.

 

[Echo]

You could donate it...

I actually have lots of stuff I could donate to your project bikes but when I posted it was ignored... ah well.

 

[binary visions]

Well first of all, having people willing to spend retarded amounts of money on gear DOES effect us all. They in turn drive up prices. They wouldn't be trying to sell forks for so much if no one paid those prices.

You're deluding yourself. People will pay the prices, even if the snobs stop. You think even 50% of the people buying those high end items are just snobs? No way. Not even close. Sorry, I'm not buying it. Not even a little bit.

I ride a 6pack geared to the teeth with high end components. Most of the parts I buy are last years and on sale. I don't care about having the latest toy to show off on the forums. I also ride the snot out of my gear like it was made for doing. I do upwards of 10 foot drops on my pack/boxxer setup, yet you will never see me bragging with photos.

Good for you. Have a cookie. You're here bragging about it - as if these 10 foot drops justify you to have a Turner and a Boxxer. You could do 10 foot drops on a lesser bike.

That's what sets people apart. Having a nice bike doesn't make you a snob or poser. Having a nice bike just to be "better" than others makes you a snob.

What makes you think they buy them just to be better? You admitted they aren't bashing other riders' bikes. Why aren't they just buying them because they enjoy having high quality parts? Why aren't they buying them because they feel safer having spent a lot of money? Why aren't they buying them because it's a fun "gadget" hobby for them?

Do you know why they buy them? No. You're the snob here - you're the one calling people names because they don't ride at some arbitrary level you've set for the equipment they own.

I have a computer that is capable of running every high end game on the market. Yet my gaming is limited to, maybe, once a month now. I love to build, tweak, and benchmark my computer. It's a hobby for me, but I don't carry that through into actually gaming on it. Guess I'm just some poser, eh?

 

[rooftest]

Over 80% of penis enlargement surgeries are to impress other men at the gym. It's not often that men get them enlarged for their girl's pleasure which in fact women don't care about size as much as how you use it.

I've got some bad news for you, man - that's just what the ladies are telling you to make you feel better.

As for bikes, I just bought a road bike that's WAY better than my skills, but I'll enjoy growing into it.

 

[Dartman]

There's an acronym for "those" people...

ATGNI - All The Gear, No Idea.

 

[Echo]

I do upwards of 10 foot drops on my pack/boxxer setup, yet you will never see me bragging with photos.

There's a dude on this forum named The Amish who rocks 10 foot drops on a clapped out old hardtail with no brakes and loose crankarms. You'll never hear him complaining about the fact that people with nicer bikes chicken out on his lines. He just rides.

 

[justsomeguy]

IN the end, it's really the posers that bug me just as much as the snobs. You know, the guys who say anything under $2000 for a dual suspension is trash and not worthy, yet they only ride their $4000 bike at 30% of what it's capable of.

Who has said that to you that anything under $2k is trash?

If such an imnaginary person exists, how do you know that they are riding at 30% of what their bike is capable of?

Do you realize that your posts make you seem incredibly juvenile and insecure while at the same time reeking of class envy?

 

[sanjuro]

Well first of all, having people willing to spend retarded amounts of money on gear DOES effect us all. They in turn drive up prices. They wouldn't be trying to sell forks for so much if no one paid those prices.

I see you have never studied economics or done purchasing before.

First of all, bike sales are very small, to lets say, motorcycles. A Syndicate rider pointed out that a V-10 costs as much as a motorcross bike.

With that in mind, every sale of a Fox 36 or a Marzocchi 888 helps to keep prices where there are at now. Lose the "poser" sales, then instead of factories building forks, there will be craftsmen making them by hand, doubling the prices.

Actually, if only the worthy bought bike parts, then you would see half the manufacturers drop out of the mountain bike market, leaving you to resurect that old Schwinn Paperboy to ride again.

 

[binary visions]

But, question. Does your logic transfer over to people who spend their existence on pavement and never see anything that resembles a mountain or an off-road trail and still insist on driving a huge SUV.

For me? No, I don't really care that much.

But there's a flaw in the comparison. The person driving a huge SUV could be viewed as a detriment to the environment, and there is a school of thought that says that the huge number of people who drive SUVs are actually a danger to those in smaller vehicles. So, there are some valid reasons to dislike people who drive an SUV and don't need them.

I don't really agree with those reasons. I laugh to myself a bit when I see these big SUVs that are all spotless and sparkling clean, but I'm not posting threads about it

 

[Nick]

I do upwards of 10 foot drops on my pack/boxxer setup, yet you will never see me bragging with photos.

FAKE!!! We demand pictures.

I still don't understand why this bothers you so much.

I'm going to assume for a minute that you aren't the troller depicted by N8 below ... What about someone that buys a burly rig because they aspire to push their current limits?

 

[Zark]

A rider without skills on a nice bike or a pro on a piece of crap. Which requires more work?

The question is more like "What requires more work?: a guy with no clue on tech or a guy with just enough knowledge to be dangerous.

The guy with just enough knowledge to "fiend" for the latest and greatest or has some notion how the setup should be can make my wrenching an absolute nightmare. The dude with no clue might clobber a couple parts, but won't try to fix them himself making things worse!

Nice parts sometimes make my life easier, sometimes they require proprietary tool or processes that just aggrivate me

 

[N8 v2.0]

Having a nice bike doesn't make you a snob or poser. Having a nice bike just to be "better" than others makes you a snob.

Oh contraire!!!

Anyone having a better bike than you does, in fact, make that person better than you.

Why?

Because whilst you waste away hours and hours of time practicing your "mad skillz," the dude with a better bike and less skills than you is working at a productive job which rewards him with the capitol resources to out spend you. Which is something the ability to "do upwards of 10 foot drops on your pack/boxxer setup" just isn't going to ever be able to finance.

I can see how you would be resentful and jealous, but hey!, life ain't fair.






(getting in on the troll action)

 

[stinkyboy]

I actually have lots of stuff I could donate to your project bikes but when I posted it was ignored... ah well.

What? I never ignored anyone in those threads. Did I?

PM me. I plan to keep this going for as long as there are good monkeys out there.

 

[I Are Baboon]

I have more money than talent.

I suck.

 

[N8 v2.0]

I have more money than talent.

I suck.

One of the nice things about having no skills is that anything titanium you buy will be on your bike where you can show it off and not in your body where it will ache everytime the weather changes.

 

[Mackie]

I think a lot has to do with age. A lot of the turner guys are older 30+ and are getting slooooow with age.

Oh yeah, this will win a lot of people over to your side.
Perhaps when you are a little more mature, life will make a bit more sense to you.

 

[Echo]

Oh yeah, this will win a lot of people over to your side.
Perhaps when you are a little more mature, life will make a bit more sense to you.

I was gonna let that slide I'm almost 40 and a ten foot drop is nothing to brag about...

 

[sanjuro]

From the bike shop perspective, the really talented riders usually have some kind of hook-up to give them a break in pricing. It is usually the newbies and posers that pay full retail, making them our most important customers.

 

[binary visions]

I was gonna let that slide I'm almost 40 and a ten foot drop is nothing to brag about...

Well, no, but it IS the line at which you're allowed to own a Turner Six-Pack with a Boxxer. At 9 feet, you're nothing but a poser.

 

[sanjuro]

Oh contraire!!!

Anyone having a better bike than you does, in fact, make that person better than you.

Why?

Because whilst you waste away hours and hours of time practicing your "mad skillz," the dude with a better bike and less skills than you is working at a productive job which rewards him with the capitol resources to out spend you. Which is something the ability to "do upwards of 10 foot drops on your pack/boxxer setup" just isn't going to ever be able to finance.

I can see how you would be resentful and jealous, but hey!, life ain't fair.






(getting in on the troll action)

A metrosexual is a poseur by definition, hence the 29 inch bike....

 

[N8 v2.0]

A metrosexual is a poseur by definition, hence the 29 inch bike....

Mmm... martini...

 

[I Are Baboon]

From the bike shop perspective, the really talented riders usually have some kind of hook-up to give them a break in pricing. It is usually the newbies and posers that pay full retail, making them our most important customers.

OK, so now I am also most likely a newbie and/or a poser because I pay full retail for my new bikes due to my lack of industry hookup.

This thread is fabulous!

 

[OGRipper]

I spent a long time with no money riding hoopty rigs. I work my ass off and can now afford good stuff, and I like to indulge in bikes, it's one thing that has constantly fired me up throughout my life. There are better riders on crappier bikes out there. Does that make me a snob? Do I get some cool credits because I was once "core"?

Do you see how stupid it is to categorize people this way?

You will get burned time and time again if you continue to judge people based on superficial factors.

 

[Transcend]

I think a lot has to do with age. A lot of the turner guys are older 30+ and are getting slooooow with age.

Sure.

Maybe someone just forgot to remind Brian Lopes, Mike King and Eric Carter of this?

All over 30, all could hand you your ass on any given sunday.

 

[PonySoldier]

Sure.

Maybe someone just forgot to remind Brian Lopes, Mike King and Eric Carter of this?

All over 30, all could hand you your ass on any given sunday.

I suspect Ned could hand his ass to him and he's over Fiddy...

 

[sanjuro]

Mmm... martini...

Drink your appletini, shine your Kenneth Cole's, and slick back your hair with Crew.

I'm taking my Surly 1x1 rigid and doing 15 foot drops tonight!

 

[N8 v2.0]

Drink your appletini, shine your Kenneth Cole's, and slick back your hair with Crew.

I'm taking my Surly 1x1 rigid and doing 15 foot drops tonight!

Have fun! See ya in the ER.

 

[ghostrider]

I don't have anything to add to this thread other than the fact that that bunny picture is freaking hilarious.

 

[douglas]

Sure.

Maybe someone just forgot to remind Brian Lopes, Mike King and Eric Carter of this?

All over 30, all could hand you your ass on any given sunday.

that would make a good move name

 

[Downhiller]

i bought apocalpyse and i everybody is telling me that i throw money away but i really want to drop but i dont have $ to go outside Croatia where are big drops with nice landing, here are just drops but no landing and problem with law...

here little people have $ to spend on races but guys who have just change bikes every month and have NO skill...

some sponsored riders are rude and big snobs but itsnot ok to say names...

 

[GumbaFish]

There's a dude on this forum named The Amish who rocks 10 foot drops on a clapped out old hardtail with no brakes and loose crankarms. You'll never hear him complaining about the fact that people with nicer bikes chicken out on his lines. He just rides.

I remember when we banged in his crank with a stick to stop it from wobbling so he could try that drop, then almost hit a tree on the run out because he only had a crappy rear brake and couldn't stop...good times

 

[Transcend]

that would make a good move name

2 of them in fact...

on any sunday
any given sunday

 

[stinkyboy]

I remember when we banged in his crank with a stick to stop it from wobbling so he could try that drop, then almost hit a tree on the run out because he only had a crappy rear brake and couldn't stop...good times

Riding with what you have and being a moron are 2 different things...

 

[Jabuttri]

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