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Discussion in 'Politics & World News' started by vibiker, Oct 28, 2008.

  1. vibiker

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    First $250k, then 200k, now 150

     

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    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    so that's what a vp does...
     
  3. jimmydean

    jimmydean The Official Meat of Ridemonkey

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    Still above $50k, so you still stand to lose. Keep digging, I bet Fox has something you could post for all of us to laugh at.
     
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    So I read that as

    Under 150k = tax break
    Over 250k (200k for singles) = tax increase

    Is that too hard for you cons to understand? :bonk:
     
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    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    the main thrust of the clip is that the goalposts have already been dug up & replanted in the red zone
     
  6. vibiker

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    Well it appears to have dropped 100K drop in a pretty short time (before the election). Hold on to your wallet after the election.


    Not to create another bet.... So if the 0bama "rich" goes down to, say $75k, you are good with that?
     
  7. jimmydean

    jimmydean The Official Meat of Ridemonkey

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    He said that the money should go to people who make less "insert arbatrary figure here". He didn't say that people making between $151k and $249k will no longer be eligible.

    Dude, you are seriously trying to hard. I know you don't make more than $150k, so why even worry?

    <edit> yes, I'm cool with that.

    How many times do I have to say it?

    I AM NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA FOR A TAX BREAK. I AM VOTING IN SUPPORT OF MY MILITARY AND IN SUPPORT OF MY ENVIRONMENT. I WANT MY FELLOW VETS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, AND I WANT MY EARTH TO LAST LONG ENOUGH FOR MY DAUGHTER TO ENJOY.

    If taxes are all you care about, then you must be a Paulturd.
     
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    "first they came for the investment banker, but i wasn't an investment banker, so i did nothing..."
     
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    Just for fun, at what point would you say that floor is too low? If there isn't one, just say so.
    BTW, as for the military, how do expect the military to be well served with a proposed 25% Defense cut? Just curious.
     
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    There is no floor. A tax cut would be cool, but I have very little debt and live well within my means. Others could learn to do the same as I have. After 12 years in the military, I have supported my country with my life and my pocket book. I have no sense of entitlement and freely pay my taxes.

    When we leave Iraq, we now have a surplus, correct?

    Look at the military voting records for both Obama and McCain. Tell me who supports the military and who SAYS they support the military.

    From the Army Times:
    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/10/military_vets_congress_reportcard_100708

    Why would so many military leaders support Obama if he didn't know what he was doing?

    From Major-General J. Scott Gration:
    http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977482246

     
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    Well, apparently the McCain campaign is grasping at straws, because a senior McCain adviser mentioned Biden's errant comment of 150k tax ceiling on MSNBC just now.
     
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    what are we talking - 2% of mil leaders O6+? i actually don't know, but that's where i'd put it.
     
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    Dead link.



    This guy is a full-on anti-nuke. Hats off to him (and you) for serving this country, but I am not thrilled with that level of judgement.
     
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    LOL!

    When did Barney Frank become a Presidential candidate?

    Maybe Obama will make him SecDef?

    Or did you know the Standard-Times, which is listing this quote of "called for a 25 percent cut in military spending", is owned by Rupert Murdoch? LOL

    http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081024/NEWS/810240332/-1/NEWS10
     
  15. jimmydean

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    Support for troops does not end when they get off the plane home. Some people (GWB) seem to think it does.
     
  16. jimmydean

    jimmydean The Official Meat of Ridemonkey

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    The majority of active military officers do not disclose who they are voting for out of respect for the sitting president (as it was told to me by my commanding officer). So to have as many openly support him is quite a big number in that regard.

    Based on conversations with military personnel in Oregon, Obama holds about 70% of the votes at the military department headquarters in Salem. You will also see a number of "Veterans for Obama" stickers in the officers parking lot.
     
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    What kind of judgment are you looking for in a military person?? Just curious.
     
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    I am not sure why, but the statement "...I believe if you could get rid of all the nuclear weapons this would be a wonderful world." struck me as a bit naive.
     
  19. jimmydean

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    So you think the more nukes the better, even though we have WAY more than you could ever use.

    Yet you are anti-abortion when we have WAY more unwanted children than we can support as a nation.

    Interesting double standard.

    So if we could nuke unwanted kids as long as it's not called "abortion" you are cool with that?
     
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    I suppose we have to assume that this career military officer based his opinion on decades of experience, hardly worth the paper he wrote it on.
     
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    A bit fuzzy logic there. Just because I think no-nukes is not good does not imply that more is better.

    Where are you seeing that we have WAY too many unwanted childern that we can support? Because a single mom cannot afford a child, kill it? Have you ever heard of adoption?

    Where is the double std?

    No nukes == no deterrent.
     
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    Nukes == Nuclear Proliferation

    **Edit

    I don't think anyone would disagree that nukes can act as a deterrent, but stating that nobody having them is obviously better does not correlate to you not thinking they are a deterrent.
     
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    just like pregnancy == abortion
     
  24. vibiker

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    That might be a reasonable conclusion if all (or most all) experience military officers believed this. What value of "the paper" would you give to those military big-wigs who disagree with this guy?
     
  25. jimmydean

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    And our nuclear arsenal did so much for us on September 10th.

    Welcome to the 21st century.
     
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    N8'ism is fun ain't it
     
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    Nice utopia. Works well WRT gun control. Just ask those in Washington DC.
     
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    What's wrong with his belief??? He's not forcing his belief on others in a way that infringes on you or myself, and like I said, I can pretty much guarantee you that he does live in reality and recognizes that since nukes do exist, that yes they do act as a deterrent....
     
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    I never imagined that "anti-nuke" would ever be a con.
     
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    We are not getting rid of our ICBM, aircraft carriers, JSF fighters, sat tech, etc.

    We don't have to increase the spending either. And scaling back is not getting rid of.
     
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    Keeps going doesn't it?
     
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    You filthy rich bastards. Do I here $100k?
     
  34. jimmydean

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    Yes, $120k is in fact less than $250k.

    Therefore, under Obama's tax plan, you will get a tax cut at $120k. You will even get a tax cut the year after when you get a raise to $130k.

    What part of this concept escapes you?
     
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  36. vibiker

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    Well $42.5K is less than $250K as well. Why not just say that?:huh: In case you missed it, by lowering the level of what they define as "rich", they are showing their true colors.
     
  37. jimmydean

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    Nothing has changed, that's the part you seem to not understand. They don't define what rich is, the GWB economy is doing that for us.
     
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    You're having a really hard time understanding the difference between lowering taxes, maintaining taxes, and raising taxes. Did you follow that? There are three (3), tres, options here, not two (2), dos.