which giant for mtx(vt or ac)
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Why a Giant? Do you have hookups? I wouldn't be riding either unless I knew I could get a replacement cheap. If you can treat it as disposable, then the VT...
Both are fairly flexy frames (not just an RM thing either!), you'd be better off getting somehing else. The Norco 4by is in your range, and is designed for that stuff. 4 bar rear too.
Well if you've hadn't had any prior experiences with Giant frame CS then I'd shut up and give the man some advice on what he's asking for. With that being said cuz I have had both including the team dh, all 03' models, I'd have to go for the VT if it were just for mtx/slalom. If you planned on more than just racing the frame and decided to hit the trails also with an aggressive attitude and want to be comfy hitting some decent sized drops under 15' with a SC fork then go with the AC. The way the VT handles the tracks (ds/mtx) is great because of the weight and rear shock setup.Rik said:
Umm... and what if I have had experience? (note my residing on a different continent though)Scrub said:
If people only gave him advice about what he's asking for, and nothing about the other factors to consider, will he be fully informed to make a decision?
Hey, dropmachine ever ride a AC or VT
Anyways if your smooth go for the VT it works well but need to be built for dual a stock one will not cut it.
The AC isn't really made to snap like a 4x bike so I say stay away unless you want a bike that can't handle bike cases.
Anyways if your smooth go for the VT it works well but need to be built for dual a stock one will not cut it.
The AC isn't really made to snap like a 4x bike so I say stay away unless you want a bike that can't handle bike cases.
The VT will work. A local pro raced one as a semi-pro in 2003 and took the national title on it. He had the complete VT2 I think. Ran the stock CrossMax wheels. Basically slapped on a short stem, bars and MRP. I think the only problem he had was with the shock and that was fixed.
He's back on his hardtail because he prefers the snap of a HT.
He's back on his hardtail because he prefers the snap of a HT.
You need to relax bro :nuts:Scrub said:
I don't know if you read the earlier post that I was responding to about what Rik said about replacement and disposable but what I was saying is that Giant has good CS and rarely ask questions about replacing frames if their cracked or whatnot.manhattanprjkt83 said:
Yep, sure have. Owned 2 ACs for a short period of time, couldn't get past the lfexyness of the frame. Tried the VT for a quick spin, it was one of the first things i noticed about it. I'm a bit bigger though, so perhaps if hes smaller...esr said:
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Whatever you do, don't buy it from DHS. He is clearly a bad seller. 
hahahahaloco said:Whatever you do, don't buy it from DHS. He is clearly a bad seller.
and it's his fault i'm hung over!
My friend Beavers rocked the AC for a season racing semi mtn-x...and he said he liked the bike and he did well on it. I rode it and hated how it felt so it depends on how you like your bike set-up. I ride a hardtail all BMXed out for slalom, mtn-x etc if that helps out. I also rode a VT when I was thinking of an inexpensive slalom frame...and it was really flexy in the rear. I know some peope who have done well on the bikes, and it does ride well, but I was so used to my stiff hardtail and other FS mtn-x frames I thought it flexed too much. Good luck finding a new frame
Meh, I have a VT and don't think it's that flexy. I think it would make a good MTX frame. Has enough suspension to give you some flex but it snaps and sprints well and never feels like you're wallowing in the travel.
Again, i point out the norco 4by. Why try and adapt a giant to do what a norco was made for?
yeh i dont have to much info on a 4x bike but i would deffinatly stay away from the giants just cause thats not what there made for. get a frame that has been tested and used under the conditions your going to be riding in. i personaly would listen to dropmachin and go with the 4by if i was you.
and dude chill.
and dude chill.
neither frame would be my first choice for mtx, but they were the only choices i could find right now(here, ebay, mtbr,etc....). i would love a norco 4by, but i didn't see one anywhere. i could wait awhile, but i have all the parts here and i'm impatience 
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Tara Llanes raced a VT at the Snowshoe Norba, and most can agree the Snowshoe MTX was hella gnar. If you can be smooth, i'd say the VT will be fine. They do serve as a nice trailbike, though. I've ridden a few and they felt quite nice, but didn't go jumping with them. Where in KY are you from?
Because you can, it would be like 4 pounds lighter and most likely has much shorter stays/ top tube. I never noticed that this guy was looking for a norco O wait he isn't just asking about Giant.dropmachine.com said:
Dropmachine sorry missed the last post,
I don't see how you can think the AC is flexy or notice it all that much.
I personally ride Dh team and find it uber stiff, and Have extended riding on the AC at big mountains like Bromont St anne You must be racing pro or hucking huge to flat to be getting this bike to flex, or did you do the push my foot against the frame and see if the frame moves trick { hint the tires are moving the most they have air in them}.
Not trying to bust your balls here but it sounds like a very lackingreview, because my extended experience with them I just feel your review is from bias of a company that gets a bad rap because of hi quantity building. I have 4 generations of Giant bikes I have riden by choice not by sonser agreement
I don't see how you can think the AC is flexy or notice it all that much.
I personally ride Dh team and find it uber stiff, and Have extended riding on the AC at big mountains like Bromont St anne You must be racing pro or hucking huge to flat to be getting this bike to flex, or did you do the push my foot against the frame and see if the frame moves trick { hint the tires are moving the most they have air in them}.
Not trying to bust your balls here but it sounds like a very lackingreview, because my extended experience with them I just feel your review is from bias of a company that gets a bad rap because of hi quantity building. I have 4 generations of Giant bikes I have riden by choice not by sonser agreement
My opinion is based in heading into corners, and feeling the BB swing. Its not a stiff frame at all really, its got nothing to do with the level i ride at (which ain't very impressive to say the least).
I built mine with a Z1 and reasonably solid parts, and the frame always felt vague in corners. I am also about 210 righ tnow, and have learned that a fat ass makes a lot of things flex.
Just because you find that you can't flex them doesn't mean they arne't flexy. perhaps you should try a stiffer bike. Right away you would feel the difference when you went back to the AC.
Second, the comment about being biased is completly ridiculous. Who are you to judge my bias? I have nothing against Giant, and for the most part, admire thier designs. True, they do some really questionably things, but almost every company out there does that kinda stuff.
Third, if you ever hear my Rant on the Ac, you'll realize how silly i really find them.
I built mine with a Z1 and reasonably solid parts, and the frame always felt vague in corners. I am also about 210 righ tnow, and have learned that a fat ass makes a lot of things flex.
Just because you find that you can't flex them doesn't mean they arne't flexy. perhaps you should try a stiffer bike. Right away you would feel the difference when you went back to the AC.
Second, the comment about being biased is completly ridiculous. Who are you to judge my bias? I have nothing against Giant, and for the most part, admire thier designs. True, they do some really questionably things, but almost every company out there does that kinda stuff.
Third, if you ever hear my Rant on the Ac, you'll realize how silly i really find them.
Alright, For starters I have owned two VT's (had to get a secound because the first one got stolen). I have raced this bike in mountain cross and it handles awesome. The bike is fast and it accelerates faster then any bike i have riden. You just have to no how to ride it and be light on the wheels. If you suck or are a fat ass (dropmachine) its not good bike to have because you will break ****. One of my good friends got an AC after he sold his VT and it wasnt as fun. Yeah and Norco sucks and are for slow smotes. If i was to get a new MC bike this next season I would definitly get a giant reign because the thing just looks fast and it will get you chicks. Yeah and giant has a thing called a life time warrenty, so if you break it you get a free one.
I can't tell if that reply was a joke, or just really stupid.
Warranty and CS doesn't make a bike good... it just makes up for a poor bike. I'd rather have a bike that didn't crack, than a bike that I knew I could have replaced easily. I bet they just replace frames without asking questions because they're always doing it, and to investigate every failure would give them way too much workjpski99 said:
(said slightly tongue in cheek, but face it, Giants are known to be as snap happy as a bus full of tourists.)I had an AC. It was kinda flexy when compared to my previous bikes. Not a big deal to me, cause it was a very easy bike to ride/get used to. It was also kinda light in comparison to bikes I thought were stiff, that was nice. I'd race it no problem, just build it up with the part that suit you and run it in the short travel position (whatever that is nowadays).
210 pound might make it flex for sure, I just have spent so much time on them and found nothing like this but i was running a cromo cranks set up.
And I have owned about a dozen diffrent brand bkes and found some flexy but not the AC giant seems to have there act together on the how to build sections.
Not tryin to make this a arguement just wanted to stay focused on the fact it was a question on which bike Giant or Giant not Norco.
Ps AC is no longer made as a highend bike the Faith has taken that spot.
And I have owned about a dozen diffrent brand bkes and found some flexy but not the AC giant seems to have there act together on the how to build sections.
Not tryin to make this a arguement just wanted to stay focused on the fact it was a question on which bike Giant or Giant not Norco.
Ps AC is no longer made as a highend bike the Faith has taken that spot.
I have a VT2(the blue one) that I built up for MTNX/DS. Ive raced it at snowshoe and it was so fast. corners well and accelerates likes a pinto with a 350 in it. good urban bike too.