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Which new brake?: X0/XX, XTR race/trail, RO/The Ones, other?

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  1. - seb

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    So I'm in the market for some new stoppers.

    I'm a bit of a loser, so lightweight is a top priority.

    But I'm a realist too, so it's not the only priority. I want something that's going to last, and be minimal maintenance. My current 2009 The Ones have served me for over 3 years without a single bleed! The rotors are pretty tired though, and the levers have a lot of slop in them, and I fancy something shiny and new.

    Any experience/thoughts welcomed!
     
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    The new XTR Trail brakes (160 f/r) have done nothing but impress me. For the first time, I feel that my brakes are on auto-pilot, rather than something that I have to think about while riding.

    The new XO brakes were on the rig before replacing with the XTR and there was definitely a very spongey feel to them.
     
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    Shimano XTR with some RT86 rotors, I'm running xt with 180/203 and I've had no problems with long descents that my M810 faded on.
     
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    Do you think the XTRs have more bite and overall power compared to the XOs??
     
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    Another vote for XTR Trail brakes. I have them on two bikes and they never cease to amaze. Bled once when the hose lengths were adjusted and flawless ever since.
     
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    I've just gone from the same brake to the RO's. The change up is impressive - immense power, loads of control, and I like the radial brake feel at the lever end. True one finger braking (like the Ones, but moar). On sustained steep stuff they are incredible, zero fade, no cooking, loads of control, still one finger friendly. The MC's are massive and look very impressive in the flesh. Polish up the RO bling and you'll be blinding fellow riders in the sunshine, yes they are that shiny.

    You buy, now. Moar power. Moar shiny.
     
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    Elixer 9's seem to be the way to go if you want to go with Avid. The XX/X0 might weigh a little bit less but my friend who has XX's wants to trade me for my 9's and that will not be happening. The new saints are pretty sick though.
     
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    New saints. They'll get you more friends.
     
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    bikeradar's lab measurements summary.
     
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    Can somebody sticky this?
    Pretty informative.
    Thanks!
     
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    I had Formula MY11 The Ones on my Intense M9 and they worked well. In January I decided to change to the Formula RO's and they have been out of this world!!! Gnarbar pretty much summed it up, tons of power, modulation and zero fade!!
     
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    I went from XTRs back to The Ones. Purely for the weight saving. The extra power is a plus too. I don't really like the Formula lever pivot location, but it's not enough to keep me off them.
    I went from new XTs on my trail bike to NOS Juicy 7s because they're lighter, and have more adjustments, and are stupid cheap now. I think they're a better brake than Elixers, but Formulas are better again. Go with what you know, go Formula IMO.
     
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    Another vote for the RO! I rode various Oros, all model years of the Ones and I have to say the RO is a big improvement over the Ones (lots of power!!!). The only downside are the Formula rotors which tend to flex a lot. Therefore now I ride the RO brakes with the new Avid rotors - bullet proof set up!
     
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    i hate the ro, ever rode in a group with one? they are ****ing anoying loud, especially with the formula rotors.
     
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    Wow, Race X2's having more power than XT's?

    MBUK/Bikeradar at it's best again..
     
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    I like that bikeradar have done something quantitative like that, but I feel it's not enough data to draw any conclusions from, and I don't really trust the source either.

    There's that german MTB mag who have a history of doing lots of technical tests and publishing the results - have they put anything out about brakes recently? I forget it's name, if I ever knew it.
     
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    really? never had this issue with formula brakes in the dry. The make some noise when wet, but not more than others.
     
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    That test is bad. Outside from many minor things 3 tests per brake is hardly enough to eliminate random events.
     
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    iirc, the full shimano sets took top honors, over even 810s. ie, slx brakes tested better than anything else on the market besides XT and XTR.

    I haven't heard a bad thing yet about the new shimano stuff, and I love the old shimano stuff.
     
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    I think both big german MTB mags (BIKE, Mountain Bike) do test brakes in a scientific way, e.g. in a laboratory situation where they first brake them in and then check max. power, modulation and such and after that see where the limits are. Nothing available online though. :-(
     
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    shimano xtr levers w/ the new saint calipers and dont look back.
     
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    why xtr levers vs. saints?
     
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    What he said.
     
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    SOMEBODY obviously hasn't seen the new saints.

    Psh. Tsk. Not enough e-riding. Clearly.
     
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    too beige? not enough blingey pudding? sure seems like all the adjustments are the same. I confuse.
     
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    I have had some noise now and then, just after initial breaking in period. could not isolate the cause, maybe wet/dry transition, coming off a hot braking section to fast open section, not sure exactly what caused it. did not affect performance at all. seemed to have gone now.

    anyways, better a bit of noise than hearing people complain about their brakes, consistent turkey gobble warble, and/or having to wait for peoples (brand name withheld) brakes to cool down cuz they be cooking and roasting like a turkey at Thanksgiving.
     
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    exactly haven't checked them out. i just know i really dig my setup.
     
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    Anything except Sram brakes. I hated my XO brakes for DH, XX for Dh is sure death

    I have the RO and love them! Nothing bad about them! Amazing power, good looks, good adjustments

    Saints are awesome, especially the 2013. Super strong and really nice looking. I have a friend with the XTR brakes for DH, they are also amazing! Really strong
     
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    they "sing" when you lean your wheel in a curve
     
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    my cousin has the ro's, after testing my new slx he wants them now too.
     
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    :rolleyes: expensive brake purchase error
     
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    BIKE magazine.

    Dunno about recent tests as I haven't picked one up in 5 years..
     
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    Has anyone tried running The Ones on RT86 ice-tech rotors? Wondering how the pad depth and rotor brake-surface depth compare, or if it would be a poor match-up.
     
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    has to do with the rotors for sure - as I sad the rotors are not the strongest out there
     
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    na, he's an ebay nerd, he doesn't buy expensive stuff ;)
     
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    I'm currently leaning towards a new set of The Ones.

    Have decided sram/avid are not worth looking at, so it comes down to Formulas or Shimanos for me.

    ROs seem to get more noise complaints than the ones, don't look as bling, and weigh a bit more.

    XTR/XT/m820 quite tempting though. Can only find lever+hose+caliper weights for XTR really though, does anyone here know how much heavier the XTs and Saints are?
     
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    I think I read in one of the press release articles where the Saints were around 305g for the lever/hose/caliper combo. Can't find it now though.
     
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    Thanks!

    For reference XTR trail comes in at 233g, The Ones at 201g (~226g with the optional FCS adjuster). ROs about 20-30g heavier than The Ones.

    I'd guesstimate the saints to be about 310g without the mounting bolts and pad spacer that are included there.
     
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    Just upgraded to the XTR (Yeti ASR5C)
    Amazing brakes!! Cant see you going wrong with that purchase
    But thats just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions