[bullcrew]

I need to decide which rims to run:
36 spoke deemax yellow
or
chris king hubs heavy dury with intense mag 30 rims dt swiss spokes

I don't know which ones going to be heavier duty. they both adjust real easy and the deemax service quickly. Based on these 2 which ones are heaveir duty. Weights are basically the same the king is a little lighter but both are dh/fr intended use.

 

[SuperSlow]

go with a hadley and an arrow dhx....Lighter than a deemax and stronger

 

[bullcrew]

How is it compared to the king set. I have these sets already and kinda would like to make an informed choice, although buying another wheelset is always a possibility.

 

[bullcrew]

ok I am gonna do the king hubs and deemax rims!
Settled.

 

[Kntr]

I just had a set of CK hubs put in brand new 2002 Dee Maxx rims.

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106340&page=1&pp=15&highlight=Dee+Maxx

Have a look.

 

[bullcrew]

How do like em? I pulled the spokes out of my mag30's and pulled the king hubs out, I've got a new set of yellow deemax rims coming in at which point I', going to sell my other deemax's with the deemax hubs.
Have you broken them in yet? are they lighter than complet deemax rim/hub assembly's?

 

[Paris]

ok I am gonna do the king hubs and deemax rims!
Settled.

have the same set up, the hubs are great and tubeless rims are a plus

 

[Kntr]

The CK hubs are lighter than the Dee Maxx hubs but not noticable while riding. I only have about 30 miles on the new wheels so its hard to tell anything else. They seem just as stiff. The CK hubs are waaaay better as far as engagement goes. I have the older 02 Dee Maxx rims...... which ones do you guys have? the 05?

 

[Spunger]

go with a hadley and an arrow dhx....Lighter than a deemax and stronger

That is WRONG. You're comparing 820g rims to 640g or so rims. If you did that math that is alone a 1lb +- difference in just rims. I know this, I have Arrow DHX rims. They are heavier AND stronger! I am using the deemax (previous D321's). If you're talking the tubeless D-max rims then they are WAY less than a single Arrow DHX. Like by close to 1/2 of a pound per rim.

I'm using Hope hubs because they were cheaper than Hadleys and didn't weight much more. Remember rotating mass counts more outwards than close to the hub. You won't notice a 100g heavier hub but you might a heavier rim since it's the outside rotating mass that kills you.

I'd get the newer dee-max. Tubeless able, saint compatiable, and still yellow

 

[bullcrew]

My king hubs are 36 spoke and I don't believe they are making ust yellow deemax in the 36 spoke. 32 or 28

 

[punkassean]

FWIW...

The 02 and prior Deemax are the only ones that came in anything other than 28 hole. The 03/04 Deemax were the same rim as the EX823 except silver instead of black. This years Deemax is yellow but it is only a 28 hole and requires straight pull spokes so it can't really be laced to anything other than a Mavic hub.

My old wheelset was EX823's laced to King ISO disc hubs (non heavy-duty rear and QR front) with DB spokes and alloy nipples these were almost 1/2lb lighter than the same year Deemax and more than a 1/2lb lighter than the '03 Deemax. My new wheelset is the '05 Deemax and they weigh 5.4lb

King/EX823: ~4.8lbs (alloy/1.8/2.0)
King/321: 5.4lbs (brass/2.0)
05 Deemax: ~5.4lbs
03/04 Deemax: ~5.3lbs
02 Deemax: ~5.6lbs

Basically Kanter's wheelset weighs exactly the same as the 05 Deemax, if he went with DB spokes and alloy's it could have been 1/3lb lighter. I think black King ISO hubs/black DT Alpine spokes and black alloy nipples on 36H Deemax rims would be

I am digging the UST capabilities of the '05's though.

 

[Kntr]

King/EX823: ~4.8lbs (alloy/1.8/2.0)
King/321: 5.4lbs (brass/2.0)
05 Deemax: ~5.4lbs
03/04 Deemax: ~5.3lbs
02 Deemax: ~5.6lbs

Basically Kanter's wheelset weighs exactly the same as the 05 Deemax, if he went with DB spokes and alloy's it could have been 1/3lb lighter. I think black King ISO hubs/black DT Alpine spokes and black alloy nipples on 36H Deemax rims would be

I am digging the UST capabilities of the '05's though.

Mine are CK in 02 Dee Maxx with 36 holes, 14 gauge spokes, and alloy nipples. The fun bolts are oh so nice.

 

[punkassean]

I though you had brass nips since you went with 14g spokes... oops!

The weight of alloys is only about 40gms lighter for the entire wheelset anyway compared to the DB spokes which save closer to 100gms...

Either way, I like your wheels! I do miss the King engagement

 

[Kntr]

The LBS tried telling me that they couldn't get DB spokes in the right length..... Oh well. Im starting to think my LBS has some ordering issues.

 

[dhtahoe]

The LBS tried telling me that they couldn't get DB spokes in the right length..... Oh well. Im starting to think my LBS has some ordering issues.

Yeah they lied.

 

[HippieKai]

my only concern with d-max is that they change so much and in a bit of time you may not be able to get parts. I'd go with the kings.

and yes, funbolts are sooo nice.

 

[bullcrew]

So the king hubs are lighter than the deemax hubs.

 

[punkassean]

King hubs are the lighest hubs you can get that are still very strong. There is a reason they are known as the "best".

 

[Kntr]

Its hard to get the weights for Mavic hubs but Im sure the CK hubs are way lighter.

 

[bullcrew]

I'll weigh them when I break them down, I ordered new deemax rims to lace to the king hubs. I got the ride at 41.6 lbs now and want to drop a 1.6lbs.

 

[bullcrew]

I know the obvious like the shock is heavy and such, but thats what makes this a challenge to lighten up.
04 bullit: avalanche dhs 2.75, boxxer team black boxxed, hope mono 6ti brakes, deemax rims, thomson post and stem, king headset, double wall bars, odi rogue loc ons, x.9 shifters and rear der., e-13 drs, hussefelt cranks, fsa chromo 188 bb, bulletproof pedals, spec. take off saddle, maxxis minion 2.35's.
weight: 42.4lbs

what I have got now to do: XTR ti cassette, Changed the tires for reg. riding to irc mythicos and trailbear kevlar, specialized bg ti saddle, raceface turbine cranks going on it (1/3 lb lighter), race face bb (100g lighter), King hubs (? lighter), Race face rings (? lighter).

Need suggestions on the handlebars, pedals.

I will throw the stratos dh pro shock on for reg riding and that will save 1.3 lbs over the avy and handles big enough drops. Saving the avy for agressive drops and rocky hits.

 

[punkassean]

You can determine the weight of Deemax hubs by taking the total wheel weight and subtracting the weight of the rim, spokes and nipples. (Assuming Deemax use straight gauge spokes and brass nipples, add 40gm to hub weight if alloy nipples and add another 70gm for DB spokes)

2002 Deemax Rear wheel complete: 1390gm
36H D321: 680gm
36 14g Spokes: 292gm
36 brass nipples: 69gm
Deemax rear hub: ~349gm (estimated, could be as much as ~450gm)
King ISO Rear hub: 306gm (non heavy-duty, add 48gm for SS HD)

The difference in weight between the Mavic and the King hubs is negligiable but the quality is vastly different. Mavic is good but King is incredible.

 

[bullcrew]

They are the heavy duty rear hub and 20mm front.

 

[punkassean]

In that case, the weight won't be much difference but the bearing life and friction should be better also the King engagement is much faster than Mavic and that is a noticable benefit. It's not really worth bothering though if you already have a complete Deemax wheelset because you aren't going to sve much weight at all. I'd spend the $500 on something else like Ti coils and Ti bolts etc...

 

[bullcrew]

I have a complete deemax set and the king set w/ intense mag 30's. I just sold the mag rims and ordered a set of deemax rims. I'm going to sell the deemax that I have now off, They are dinged but ride awesome. They have 1 small flatspot on the front. I thought of keeping them for extreme runs and freeride so I don't smash the new set on stupid riding.

 

[punkassean]

Just sell your old ones, they are still very desirable since they are the strongest Deemax ever made. Depending on how bad the dings are you can look to get a few hundy for 'em...

 

[bullcrew]

yeah! The rims are dinged a little, not to bad. They have been ridden no doubt! beside replacement rims deemax 36 hole are only $70 ea. so I could rebuild them for $198 including the mavic spokes. plus I have bearings and shims for the hubs plus they have been rebuilt recently, like 30 miles ago.
If I get the new rims and spokes it will essentially be a new set of deemax minus the ust, then I'll have 2 sets, OOOOHHHH! AAAAAHHHHH! I like having more than 1 set.