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Who´s the flip-flopper now, beooootch?

ALEXIS_DH

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well, its kinda lame the democrats campaign. there is so much to bite, and they just dont attack.

kinda stupid that bush has kerry on defensive stance, instead of the other way around.


anyway...



President Bush: Flip-Flopper-In-Chief

From the beginning, George W. Bush has made his own credibility a central issue. On 10/11/00, then-Gov. Bush said: "I think credibility is important.It is going to be important for the president to be credible with Congress, important for the president to be credible with foreign nations." But President Bush's serial flip-flopping raises serious questions about whether Congress and foreign leaders can rely on what he says.

1. Social Security Surplus

BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]

...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02]

7. Iraq Funding

BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]

...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]

8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony

BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'... "Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 3/9/04]

...BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony." [President Bush, 3/30/04]

9. Science

BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good." [then-Governor George W. Bush, 1/15/00]

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading scientists—including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents—issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels." [Union of Concerned Scientists, 2/18/04]


many more at

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=42263
 

Silver

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Bush could eat a screaming infant on Fox News covered in Heinz ketchup and Republicans would still vote for him.

Don't bother...
 

BurlyShirley

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hahahha! Good try Alexis...really.

But look at the dates of the first one...which important even occured between those dates ?

Also, on Iraq funding, you expected an exact amount prediction of what a war will cost? Get real.

The rice testimony? Only after concessions were made that wouldnt allow this to be held as a formal precedent did he allow it. It was no flip-flop of morality or anything. Jesus.

I guess I could go on...but you get the point.
 

Silver

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BurlySurly said:
hahahha! Good try Alexis...really.

But look at the dates of the first one...which important even occured between those dates ?
You probably missed it, but the deficit cannot be explained away by the war. Discretionary spending is WAY up.

I hope you like payroll taxes cutting 50% out of your paycheck in 20 years. I'm not worried about it personally, but my wife and I are going to retire in Canada...
 

LordOpie

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what about his biggest f-f... he campaigned with "NO NATION BUILDING! ROAR!" And then did the exact opposite, only half-assed.
 

ALEXIS_DH

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Silver said:
Bush could eat a screaming infant on Fox News covered in Heinz ketchup and Republicans would still vote for him.

Don't bother...


yeah, i know, but WHY man, WHY the blind following???.

is changing your mind so bad looked upon by conservatives?? is being stubborn some sort of ultimate virtue in their eyes??? :confused:
 

Silver

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LordOpie said:
what about his biggest f-f... he campaigned with "NO NATION BUILDING! ROAR!" And then did the exact opposite, only half-assed.
The interested can google John Stewart and Governor Bush vs. President Bush for more info...
 

Silver

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ALEXIS_DH said:
yeah, i know, but WHY man, WHY the blind following???.

is changing your mind so bad looked upon by conservatives?? is being stubborn some sort of ultimate virtue in their eyes??? :confused:
I can't speak for all conservatives, but I know why the religious right is following...they are convinced that he's a God fearing man.

Couple that with a belief in an Almighty God and the fact that John Kerry won't beat you to death over the head with Jesus, and you've got a pretty solid core bunch of voters this year.

According to a 1999 Gallup poll, half of Americans would not vote for an atheist solely on that basis.
 

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Silver said:
I can't speak for all conservatives, but I know why the religious right is following...they are convinced that he's a God fearing man.

Couple that with a belief in an Almighty God and the fact that John Kerry won't beat you to death over the head with Jesus, and you've got a pretty solid core bunch of voters this year.

According to a 1999 Gallup poll, half of Americans would not vote for an atheist solely on that basis.

hahaha, and then gwb go bombs other fundamentalist countries, on the premise of fundamentalist nations=dangerous nations.

so, long life to the ayatollah bush-meini.
 

ALEXIS_DH

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BurlySurly said:
This in a thread about calling bush a flip-flopper :rolleyes:

well, the title has to do with a funny quote from lordopie a few days ago.

no implications in my thread that changing your mind is necesarily bad though. just that both are in the same nutsack.
 

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ALEXIS_DH said:
hahaha, and then gwb go bombs other fundamentalist countries, on the premise of fundamentalist nations=dangerous nations.

so, long life to the ayatollah bush-meini.
Fight fire with fire, right?

After all, who better to defeat all powerful Allah than all powerful God (with all powerful Jahweh on God's side...that makes it two against one...I've gotta make the Muslims the underdogs here.)
 

BurlyShirley

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ALEXIS_DH said:
well, the title has to do with a funny quote from lordopie a few days ago.

no implications in my thread that changing your mind is necesarily bad though. just that both are in the same nutsack.
Well, Im out of the loop i guess. And here I thought I was being witty. Hey, can I come to peru and chase some of your women?
 

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Silver said:
Fight fire with fire, right?

After all, who better to defeat all powerful Allah than all powerful God (with all powerful Jahweh on God's side...that makes it two against one...I've gotta make the Muslims the underdogs here.)
Somehow, given all of the gods' physical attributes, I dont picture Jesus as being real good in a fight. Minus super powers, I take thor If Im betting. Allah's good with a sword i hear though.
 

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BurlySurly said:
Somehow, given all of the gods' physical attributes, I dont picture Jesus as being real good in a fight. Minus super powers, I take thor If Im betting. Allah's good with a sword i hear though.
Thor doesn't exist, you godless heathen...

Jahweh's on God's side though, remember. He fvcked up Jericho, he can do it again. (The first time was with trumpets. Imagine what he can do with nuclear warheads...)
 

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Well, Im out of the loop i guess. And here I thought I was being witty. Hey, can I come to peru and chase some of your women?

yeah sure. the natural-habitat for the finest ones are Gotica, Lava Lounge, Aura and Traffic in Lima. nice places, maybe not if you dont like electronic music. there is gonna be a megaavalanche in like 2 months. i´ve being out of biking lately, but i can tell you where to go.
 

BurlyShirley

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ALEXIS_DH said:
yeah sure. the natural-habitat for the finest ones are Gotica, Lava Lounge, Aura and Traffic in Lima. nice places, maybe not if you dont like electronic music. there is gonna be a megaavalanche in like 2 months. i´ve being out of biking lately, but i can tell you where to go.

No, you aint telling me. You're gunna take me around and show me some hot peruvian chicks. And translate for me, telling them probably smoother things than I can come up with. Do they like whitey's in Peru?
 

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No, you aint telling me. You're gunna take me around and show me some hot peruvian chicks. And translate for me, telling them probably smoother things than I can come up with. Do they like whitey's in Peru?
hahaha. yeah, but they like green better.
 

BurlyShirley

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Thor doesn't exist, you godless heathen...

Jahweh's on God's side though, remember. He fvcked up Jericho, he can do it again. (The first time was with trumpets. Imagine what he can do with nuclear warheads...)
Dude, Im talking straight up man to man fist fights...maybe with small weapons like thor's hammer or allah's sword of buddha's floppy ears or something. Jesus would win if it was a contest to see who could last the longest on the ab-isolater though.
 

BurlyShirley

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ALEXIS_DH said:
hahaha. yeah, but they like green better.

Mwahahha, my US dollars gotta be worth a fortune down there. They'll be all over me and my bulging wallet of $1's. :D
 

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BurlySurly said:
Mwahahha, my US dollars gotta be worth a fortune down there. They'll be all over me and my bulging wallet of $1's. :D

haha, now its time for you to hate your president. they are worth 10% less than they were 4 years ago.

depends on where you spend the money as well. you can find a beer for 50 cents or 10 bucks a pint. but no hot chicks in the 50cent beer places though, at all, no, never.

wave your singles and you´ll get a siphilitical crackhoe though. :thumb:
 

BurlyShirley

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I was kidding. I saw what you typed about the peruvian pesos earlier, so i thought Id throw that out there. Bush alone cant control the economy, you know? Besides wars are supposed to be good for us.
 

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I was kidding. I saw what you typed about the peruvian pesos earlier, so i thought Id throw that out there. Bush alone cant control the economy, you know? Besides wars are supposed to be good for us.

yeah, wars are good for the US, only as far as they are winning them.

guess what that tells you?

and bush not controlling the economy????????????????????? c´mon, if there is a man in the universe that can control not even the US, but the world´s economy, that is dubya.
if the US sneezes, the rest of the world dies of flu.
 

BurlyShirley

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ALEXIS_DH said:
yeah, wars are good for the US, only as far as they are winning them.

guess what that tells you?

and bush not controlling the economy????????????????????? c´mon, if there is a man in the universe that can control not even the US, but the world´s economy, that is dubya.
if the US sneezes, the rest of the world dies of flu.

I just dont get how you think its so simple...or act like there's an overnite cure. These things take time, Im no economist and neither is anyone I know, but they seem to be about half and half here in the states on what should be done...so what do you or I know?
 

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I just dont get how you think its so simple...or act like there's an overnite cure. These things take time, Im no economist and neither is anyone I know, but they seem to be about half and half here in the states on what should be done...so what do you or I know?


within the US they are half and half regarding tax cuts (medular part of the bush economy plan). within the economists of the world they are maybe 95% and 5%. even when in fact the best for interests of the world is a bush victory. (means less protectionism, more expense, more outsourcing, and a deficit that lowers the value of the US buck, thus making US goods cheaper for the world, etc, etc).

numerically, that 50% of the US economists doesnt grow that much when projected to the world population.
guess whose interests that 5% is protecting????
not even that of half the US, so you can say its in the best interest of half US-ers, but that of 2% of the US. for the sake of that 2% the US overall is loosing a crapload of things with those tax cuts.

i was checking an economic program on TV a few days ago about who would be the best US president in the intestest of South America. the diverse panelist where 2 Ivy League professors (one left, one right), an ex-ambassador, and like 2 other SA economists. They all, but one agreed, that Bush would be the best because of his economic policy indirectly decreases the US economic power in the world, and makes it more dependable on foreign labor and supplies. which is good for US, but not that good for the US.

exactly the opposite effect the US public gets delusioned by the US media.

and i think fiscal irresponsability is something every economist in the world is against.