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sanjuro

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Pizza Magnate Seeks Catholic - Governed Town
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 2:51 p.m. ET

NAPLES, Fla. (AP) -- If Domino's Pizza founder Thomas S. Monaghan has his way, a new town being built in Florida will be governed according to strict Roman Catholic principles, with no place to get an abortion, pornography or birth control.

The pizza magnate is bankrolling the project with at least $250 million and calls it ''God's will.''

Civil libertarians say the plan is unconstitutional and are threatening to sue.

The town of Ave Maria is being constructed around Ave Maria University, the first Catholic university to be built in the United States in about 40 years. Both are set to open next year about 25 miles east of Naples in southwestern Florida.

The town and the university, developed in partnership with the Barron Collier Co., an agricultural and real estate business, will be set on 5,000 acres with a European-inspired town center, a massive church and what planners call the largest crucifix in the nation, at nearly 65 feet tall. Monaghan envisions 11,000 homes and 20,000 residents.

During a speech last year at a Catholic men's gathering in Boston, Monaghan said that in his community, stores will not sell pornographic magazines, pharmacies will not carry condoms or birth control pills, and cable television will have no X-rated channels.

Homebuyers in Ave Maria will own their property outright. But Monaghan and Barron Collier will control all commercial real estate in the town, meaning they could insert provisions in leases to restrict the sale of certain items.

''I believe all of history is just one big battle between good and evil. I don't want to be on the sidelines,'' Monaghan, who sold Domino's Pizza in 1998 to devote himself to doing good works, said in a recent Newsweek interview.

Robert Falls, a spokesman for the project, said Tuesday that attorneys are still reviewing the legal issues and that Monaghan had no comment in the meantime.

''If they attempt to do what he apparently wants to do, the people of Naples and Collier County, Florida, are in for a whole series of legal and constitutional problems and a lot of litigation indefinitely into the future,'' warned Howard Simon, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida.

Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist said it will be up to the courts to decide the legalities of the plan. ''The community has the right to provide a wholesome environment,'' he said. ''If someone disagrees, they have the right to go to court and present facts before a judge.''

Gov. Jeb Bush, at the site's groundbreaking earlier this month, lauded the development as a new kind of town where faith and freedom will merge to create a community of like-minded citizens. Bush, a convert to Catholicism, did not speak specifically to the proposed restrictions.

''While the governor does not personally believe in abortion or pornography, the town, and any restrictions they may place on businesses choosing to locate there, must comply with the laws and constitution of the state and federal governments,'' Russell Schweiss, a spokesman for the governor, said Tuesday.

Frances Kissling, president of the liberal Washington-based Catholics for a Free Choice, likened Monaghan's concept to Islamic fundamentalism.

''This is un-American,'' Kissling said. ''I don't think in a democratic society you can have a legally organized township that will seek to have any kind of public service whatsoever and try to restrict the constitutional rights of citizens.''
 

Old Man G Funk

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Nov 21, 2005
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Tom Monaghan once wanted to put a huge crucifix up next to the highway (on Domino's corporate grounds) just outside of Ann Arbor, MI. I think it was supposed to be a couple hundred feet tall. Thankfully, the city turned him down.
 

Transcend

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Old Man G Funk said:
Tom Monaghan once wanted to put a huge crucifix up next to the highway (on Domino's corporate grounds) just outside of Ann Arbor, MI. I think it was supposed to be a couple hundred feet tall. Thankfully, the city turned him down.
Gotta love the nutters.
 

jimmydean

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That kicks ass! That is the largest support of school girl fetishes yet! It will be like a Disneyland for perverts, I can't wait to go!
 

Toshi

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jimmydean said:
That kicks ass! That is the largest support of school girl fetishes yet! It will be like a Disneyland for perverts, I can't wait to go!
just remember to stock up on condoms before you cross the city line!

:oink:
 

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jimmydean said:
That kicks ass! That is the largest support of school girl fetishes yet! It will be like a Disneyland for perverts, I can't wait to go!

You're in luck. Schoolgirls will be easy to get, it's the schoolboys who are already taken by the priests.
 

jimmydean

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Toshi said:
just remember to stock up on condoms before you cross the city line!

:oink:
Condoms? Who needs those? If I knock up a teenaged girl, it's "gods will". Who am I to argue with that?
 

Andyman_1970

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I don't get the desire for this theocratic governement (be it local or national) that so many Christians seem attracted to..........Jesus Himself says don't be like the pagans that lust after power and control..............anyway.

I like living among you pagans, you're alot more fun and interesting that the run of the mill Christians I know :thumb:
 

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N8 said:
Who cares? Let them do it I say.

A lot of you euroneighborhoodsarebetter fans will finally have someplace to live.
I only support it if they gate it off so no one else can get in or get out.

$20 says that the ATF will have to end up storming it like they did the branch dividians in Waco after some 16 year old, impregnated by her daddy girl who knows nothing about the real world gets out and comes running for help.
 

ohio

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sanjuro said:
''While the governor does not personally believe in abortion or pornography..."
How can you not believe in those things? They're not exactly Santa Claus and the tooth fairy... you may not like them, but deluding yourself as Bush... oh wait, I answered my own question.
 

Ciaran

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jimmydean said:
That kicks ass! That is the largest support of school girl fetishes yet! It will be like a Disneyland for perverts, I can't wait to go!
:drool: Mmmmm... schooooll girlsssss........
 

Ciaran

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N8 said:
It will be just like the middle ages... you'd love it
Medieval school girls? That could work as long as there are no chastity belts.

You should do some research on the middle ages. You'll find that many of these things you thought you knew are incorrect. And much depends on the time period, and culture. Did you know that many societies such as the Norse were basically a democratic society? Did you know that in many medieval societies women had rights? Including the rights to vote and to own property. Imagine that you come home and find your stuff on the front porch. Guess what? Your wife just divorced you... and there is nothing you can do about it!

And just think of going a viking and getting to kill the clergy and take their stuff! Burn the women! Rape the land! :rofl:
 

stevew

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Ciaran said:
Medieval school girls? That could work as long as there are no chastity belts.
Would you want medieval feminine grooming habits?

Fuuurrrr......
 

rooftest

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Transcend said:
I only support it if they gate it off so no one else can get in or get out.

$20 says that the ATF will have to end up storming it like they did the branch dividians in Waco after some 16 year old, impregnated by her daddy girl who knows nothing about the real world gets out and comes running for help.
Hey - David Koresh was NOT a Catholic - let's get that straight.
 

Ciaran

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rooftest said:
Hey - David Koresh was NOT a Catholic - let's get that straight.
That's right. Catholics are waaaaaay nuttier than David Koresh.



And that would be a NEGATIVE on the medieval grooming habits. That's one area I don't want to recreate.
 

kidwoo

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I forget the name of the group....they've since dissolved. But that guy used to give money to what amounted to abortion clinic attackers.

Naples fl is an interesting place. One of the statistics you hear floating around is that it has (or recently had) the highest density of billionaires in the country in permanent residence. Kind of wierd considering hollywood and a few CT towns I know of but interesting...........


But yeah.....sales of drugs, booze, condoms would be very lucrative to the under 18 crowd growing up there.:bomb:
 

jimmydean

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kidwoo said:
Naples fl is an interesting place. One of the statistics you hear floating around is that it has (or recently had) the highest density of billionaires in the country in permanent residence. Kind of wierd considering hollywood and a few CT towns I know of but interesting...........
Rich people file for residence in Florida because there is no state income tax. So you buy a big ass house, claim it as your "home", then live somewhere that DOESN'T suck without the worry of income tax.
 

kidwoo

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jimmydean said:
Rich people file for residence in Florida because there is no state income tax. So you buy a big ass house, claim it as your "home", then live somewhere that DOESN'T suck without the worry of income tax.
Chicken and egg but it actually became that way BECAUSE so many rich people were retiring there.

I know you're right though....... I spent my entire youth in private schools there because the public ones sucked so bad.:)

Just so you know.....naples in winter doesn't suck. I used to drive down there just to ride my road bike between there and ft myers.
 

narlus

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kidwoo said:
Naples fl is an interesting place. One of the statistics you hear floating around is that it has (or recently had) the highest density of billionaires in the country in permanent residence. Kind of wierd considering hollywood and a few CT towns I know of but interesting...........
there's definitely a lot of $ there, but i think NYC has the most billionaires in the US (moscow has the most in the world).

interesting realty tidbit - in the last three years, several zip codes of Naples has had the average house price double.
 

Silver

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The big question is, can you still get drunk and hit your wife, and then go ask forgiveness from a priest that is buggering your son?

If not, I'm out.
 

sanjuro

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Silver said:
The big question is, can you still get drunk and hit your wife, and then go ask forgiveness from a priest that is buggering your son?

If not, I'm out.
Do Catholics need to ask for forgiveness getting drunk and beating your wife?