Whoa! (Taiwan aircraft crash)
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amazing that anyone survived
Yikes!
What about the person(s) in the car?
What about the person(s) in the car?
The Guardian said he was in the hospital with head injuries, but not in critical condition.Yikes!
What about the person(s) in the car?
what is it about southeast asia and airline crashes?
they're running hand-me-down fleets from the US and EU, no?
Looks like it was an ATR. My dad received some of the first shipments of these in the US. I don't think any US commercial carriers fly them anymore. Not the best safety record, but usually human error.
one could go somewhere with this...but....
Yeah, they sent them all down to PR due to how much they suck in ice.
The wing on that thing is relatively small and pretty highly-loaded, doesn't usually make for a very forgiving aircraft. Generally wing loading on twins is higher than singles due to all the air blown from the props that provides additional lift and makes up for having more wing area, but the small-ish wing on the ATR was part of why it did so poorly in ice, there wasn't much to support it to start with, coupled with poor deicing systems, tailplane icing, etc. Supposedly the guy here said he "flamed out" an engine on takeoff, which depending on the aircraft means lower the nose way down, or pitch way up to V2, but you better get the speed right and feather the propeller, otherwise if you start stalling, it'll rotate/bank/spin right into the ground, which is what this kind of looks like unfortunately. A spinning prop with no power is a huge drag on that side of the plane. Once that starts, you can't stop it that close in.
Surely teh ATR has an auto feather system?
this is what happens when you don't turn on the chemtrails
Are chemtrails the new bacon or the new PIIHB?
No, it's usually a pretty significant amount of lift on a propeller aircraft like that. The other way you realize it is usually when you reduce the power close to the ground, flaps or not, the aircraft can drop pretty fast unless you are more than a few feet from landing, due to the loss of induced lift. This is why the russians and US at one time made some high wing "blown wing" jet aircraft in an attempt to get short-field performance. Point being that a ME aircraft of the same weight as a SE aircraft usually has a smaller wing area and higher wing load, because more of the lift is provided as induced (blown) lift.
As I understand it, the pilot of this aircraft had stated they had lost one engine. Multi engine propeller driven aircraft, (all multi engine aircraft actually, but it's more pronounced with props) have a "tendency" to roll and yaw when they lose one engine. That being true, they are generating not just lift on only one wing, but having to fight roll and yaw as well. It's possible I suppose that the cockpit might have been a bit "busy" at the time of the incident, losing a engine on takeoff induces all sorts of shenanigans all at once.
I had to write up some MATLAB code that simulated an autopilot compensating for loss of an engine. At the end of the day it was pretty easy to control, I just crashed 100 or so planes before I got it right. Was a very simplified linear model of straight level flight.
Previously overlooked: The problem was obviously that they were carrying passengers on an aricraft.
Shenanigans confirmed!
British Aerospace's regional sales manager in Asia just got a boner.
146? 
Hush, it is the whisperjet146?
With a bit of green and root beer paint, it ain't looking as bad. I traveled in that thing many times and beats turbo props hands down.
I like turboprops. The noise drowns out any sounds other passengers make. Last thing I ever want to do is listen to the other dipshits on a flight. Thankfully I can now listen to music during take off and landings. The Dash-8 is hands down my favorite smaller plane to fly in.With a bit of green and root beer paint, it ain't looking as bad. I traveled in that thing many times and beats turbo props hands down.
You can still hear the dipshits scream when on a ballistic trajectory with both engines off. The Avro's engines sound like a rabid vacuum cleaner.
I hate it when my vacuum cleaner gets the rabies. Froth gets all over the carpet.
I used to work on these old girls:
Not as swanky as the Dash 8, but I kind of miss them. Prop noise and the vibration put me out faster than any sleeping pill. I don't know that I have ever once stayed awake for a whole flight on a brasi. Sadly the last of ours are being phased out by the end of the year.
Looks like the TransAsia ATR had the same effect on its pilots.
It also sucks more gas than a turbo prop, hands down.With a bit of green and root beer paint, it ain't looking as bad. I traveled in that thing many times and beats turbo props hands down.
I get the cockpit jump frequently in the DHC-8. It takes off good, but it doesn't climb so good.I like turboprops. The noise drowns out any sounds other passengers make. Last thing I ever want to do is listen to the other dipshits on a flight. Thankfully I can now listen to music during take off and landings. The Dash-8 is hands down my favorite smaller plane to fly in.
Well that's just what you'd get. The DHC-8 is slow and a poor performer once it gets off the ground, unlike the similar Q400 (stretched, modernized, with far more powerful engines). Can take forever to get from 20,000 to 23 or 25,000, sometimes it won't happen.. Once that DHC-8 starts getting ice, it'll be descending undesired. Great short field and rough field performance for plane of it's size, but it struggles to get out of it's own way once airborne.