And that is relevant to this story....how, exactly?
They're not fighting for special prilvileges, they're fighting for equal privileges. During the civil rights movement I'm sure there were a lot of people saying the same thing... "I hate all these special privileges that all these niggers are trying to get, like eating at our resturants and using our drinking fountains" This is about equal treatment, not special privilege.
then how do you justify/explain/rationalize this?
surely even you can recognize through your jaded lens that he sold his father out in a desperate attempt to get money, not to teach him a lesson. $5000 to crucify a major enemy of the gay community is peanuts. I see a pattern here of self-destruction fueled by self-hate, not wisdom trying to disciple his wayward father. This lad lacks even a modicum of discernment.
this could be you, except for that last part. I guess that's the only thing that keeps you from being a pillow-biter.
so, you don't so much subscribe to "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice shame on me", but rather he should let his son kick him in the nutz again?
i see.
There are also bisexuals, y'know.
Of course blacks experienced discrimination on a much larger scale, yet the mentality which it was based on is similar. Just because gays, or any other group for that matter, are not being lynched by the dozen, that's no excuse to deny them equal treatment under the law.
Yes, there is inherent plasticity in human sexulity, yet being gay (or bisexual, etc...) isn't just some decision you come to one day with the ability to "go back to being normal" any time you'd like. This is just the way some people are... they don't really have a choice in the matter, and as much as some people hate to admit, they have done nothing wrong and therefore deserve the same rights as anyone else.
Glutony is a sin ya know..........maybe I should get some signs and hang out in front of our brand new Krispy Kreme with my "God hates Fatso's" signs. I could be the Fred Phelps for fat folks.
i agree absolutely that hate is the cause of this - or any - discrimination. F'rinstance, i hate pedophilia. I don't have to have a sit or get to know one so i can push aside my disdain for pedophelia.
i have yet to see scientific suggestion/theory (to say nothing of evidence) which supports sexual orientation as being anything other that what propogates the species. I'm in phillyvanilly's camp insomuch as we have predispositions toward certain behaviours (gambling & alcoholism come to mind), and trauma/neglect at a young age seems to be the common denominator among homosexuals to exploit these predispositions. Surely there's a thread here from the past 3 years on a nurture v nature debate. Surely.
just how pliable do you think an 8 year old is? You like scientific research. Do you not agree that our personalities & predispositions are all but set in stone by the time we're 2 or 3?
i think he does.
Can we knock off this strawman? Homosexuality and pedophilia are two completely different things, and you know it. Stop trying to make a moral equivalence out of something that is clearly a consent issue.
I might be wrong but he might see it as wrong and less wrong. They are both wrong but to different degrees.
I think it's like trying to say:Originally posted by RhinofromWA
Just because they are different degrees of wrong to someone, doesn't detract from the fact that they are BOTH WRONG in their eyes. "Equal but different" I guess.....
While you object to the comparison....while apples and oranges to most they are still both fruit.
IF someone views homosexuality as a sin (relgious reasons) or just icky (non-religious reasons) and that it is wrong to them. They can then put in on their bad/wrong side with other things. Even though it exists to a different degree it is wrong in their eyes.
If I remember that one correctly, rape.
Hey! I made myself laugh and that is all that is important
agreed.
Can you back that up with a scientific study of some sort? I'm not sure I'd agree with that blanket statement, but even so, how does this legitimize the descrimination of gays? If anything, you're inferring that they're victims, and therefore deserve nothing less than equal treatment.
They shouldn't be. It should make no difference if his victims were male or female.
feel free to disagree with this until you're pink in the panties:
i just reviewed all my posts in this thread, and i cannot see where i could be construed as making such a statement as discrimination against gays is legitimate. If anything, i've set the stage to knock the catholic church leadership for allowing the potential for this scandalous event (refering to father geoghan)
Well, maybe we have different conceptions of what constitutes discrimination, but I believe that denying someone the ability to legally marry based solely on their sexual orientation is a form of discrimination. Am I correct I assuming you dont support gay marriage?
dont go whining about someone not posting info. and then not post any of your own.
perhaps i am discriminatory against gays marrying. It is convenient there are legal guidelines for me to have this opinion. I am sure if there were none, i would feel the same way. Doesn't make me a bad person, does it? Just a bigot.
there's a lot of sifting to do, and it's a rare person who keeps an open mind at all times. We all reach a threshold where we no longer need any more information to make an informed decision.
